millershollow - Day 9

Link:151829 Sat Jan 23 00:17:51 2010

The village bell rang early and the sun was barely peeking over the horizon. As the sleepy villagers awoke, [info]evilben clones dressed up as town guards ran all over the place, seemingly random as they harrassed villagers right and left. It became clear what the commotion was about when news reached the various villagers that the MAGISTRATE was dead.

At town hall, the villagers were let in one by one, after intensive questioning by the clones. As everyone looked around the room, they realized that [info]ragnarok_now was missing.

SUMMARY: [info]ragnarok_now the MAGISTRATE is DEAD!

Day will end tomorrow at 11am. All comic con attendees are now on the watchers list.
Time:2007-07-26 20:17:34 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
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Link:151829#2302229

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Children:#2
#1
Can't the "watchers" see other posts that will give them info?


Time:2007-07-26 20:19:41 GMT
Author:[info]millershollow
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Link:151829#2302485

Parent:#1
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Children:#3 #10
#2
all comicon attendees are on the watchers list because they're all dead :)


Time:2007-07-26 20:30:11 GMT
Author:[info]maniakes
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2303253

Parent:#2
Siblings:#10
Children:#5 #6
#3
Oh my God, they killed Comicon!


Time:2007-07-26 20:33:05 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2303509

Parent:(none)
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Children:#7
#4
Well that was random.

Eight players left.

We have to catch a wolf or the sorcerer today. If not, then tomorrow "team wolf" will have three votes, which is enough to force a tie, which could pretty much end the game.

We could elect a sheriff, but then we run the risk of giving "team wolf" even more power. The only obvious candidate for sheriffhood is [info]hungryandhollow, due to his undisputed CUPID claim. Given that, I'd place good odds on him getting eaten tonight; the wolves won't want to screw up their chances of forcing a tie by allowing him to become sheriff or accidentally eating the sorcerer.

We need some clues here people.

Here's the list...



[info]cambler
[info]cuddlycthulhu
[info]daedalus4096
[info]darkjuan
[info]devil_engine
[info]gorillashaman
[info]hungryandhollow
[info]lorriet

DEAD:
[info]chessiekitty the VILLAGER
[info]evilben the VILLAGER
[info]giantlaser the VILLAGER
[info]gnatdbug the VILLAGER
[info]maniakes the WITCH
[info]myshanter the SERIAL KILLER
[info]rustymaggot the VILLAGER
[info]slojae the VILLAGER
[info]sonicbunny the VILLAGER
[info]amphitrite27 the HUNTER
[info]baronlaw the WEREWOLF
[info]blackbeardin the SEER
[info]dragonattack the WEREWOLF
[info]stride the VILLAGER
[info]makellan the WEREWOLF
[info]flipperchaz the VILLAGER
[info]ragnarok_now the MAGISTRATE

Left:
2 wolves
1 Sorcerer
1 Cupid
1 [info]Nader


Time:2007-07-26 20:33:54 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2303765

Parent:#3
Siblings:#6
Children:(none)
 #5
Those bastards!


Time:2007-07-26 20:36:08 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2304021

Parent:#3
Siblings:#5
Children:(none)
 #6
highest death toll ever in a millers hollow game


Time:2007-07-26 20:44:00 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2304277

Parent:#4
Siblings:(none)
Children:#39 #122
#7
I'm at a loss.

I know I'm not a wolf. I can presume that h&h isn't a wolf because of his uncontested claim. That leaves 6. At least two of those 6 are lovers, and at least 2 are wolves, not necessarily exclusively.

Ideally, we pick one of the two wolf-lovers and end the game. That would take luck on the pick and luck that the lovers were both wolves. I don't hold out much hope for that.

There's no benefit to H&H revealing the lovers that I can see.

What am I missing?


Time:2007-07-26 20:44:26 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2304533

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:(none)
 #8
God damn it.

*walks back into cottage*

*repeated thumping noises emerge from said cottage*

*anyone looking in through a window or the open door will see Cthulhu pounding his head against a wall*


Time:2007-07-26 20:45:09 GMT
Author:[info]devil_engine
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2304789

Parent:(none)
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Children:#11 #12 #13 #23 #26
#9
crap crap crap...I'm completely lost on this one.

[info]Darkjuan is the only person I can see being a wolf because of his silence the whole way through...But then again one could say the same of me.

It appears that I'm already on the chopping block as is, and seeing as I'm not a special, I'd like to go ahead and just sacrifice myself without risk to the other specials that might have some weight in what's left here.

Now I realize that this makes me look extremely suspicious, but seeing as I'm already suspected and any day now I'm going to get lynched..I might as well offer myself up. And if I'm not gonna get lynched, then I'm surely wolf food for tonight.

Although we run the risk that I might be one of the lovers so if I die, I drag someone with me. That's not a hint, it's purely speculation.

That said, I offer myself up.

vote [info]devil_engine


Time:2007-07-26 20:51:57 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2305557

Parent:#2
Siblings:#3
Children:(none)
 #10
hehe. I didn't think of that. :P


Time:2007-07-26 20:56:29 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2306325

Parent:#9
Siblings:#12 #13 #23 #26
Children:(none)
 #11
what


Time:2007-07-26 20:58:37 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2306837

Parent:#9
Siblings:#11 #13 #23 #26
Children:(none)
 #12
*points at H&H* What he said. Did you take a dose of crazy sauce?


Time:2007-07-26 21:03:01 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2307861

Parent:#9
Siblings:#11 #12 #23 #26
Children:#14 #15 #16 #46
#13
ummm... hey.

If you're a plain old villager, not a lover, and we lynch you and then [info]hungryandhollow gets eaten, we start tomorrow with

2 wolves, 1 sorceror, and 3 villagers. A bad scene.

If you're the lover, and your lover is a villager, it's

2 wolves 1 sorceror, and 1 villager. A horrible scene.

The only hope for that kind of vote is if you're a lover and your lover is a wolf then it's

1 wolf, 1 sorceror, and 2 villagers. Still a bad scene.

In fact, the whole move is so ill advised I'm tempted to believe you're actually a wolf, and are trying to get us not to lynch you.


Time:2007-07-26 21:04:50 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2308117

Parent:#13
Siblings:#15 #16 #46
Children:#18
#14
grrr. I hate making mistakes...


Time:2007-07-26 21:07:55 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2308373

Parent:#13
Siblings:#14 #16 #46
Children:#17 #109
#15
In fact, the whole move is so ill advised I'm tempted to believe you're actually a wolf, and are trying to get us not to lynch you.

If true, that's brilliant. Let's put on the thumbscrews:

vote [info]devil_engine


Time:2007-07-26 21:08:46 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2308885

Parent:#13
Siblings:#14 #15 #46
Children:#20 #31 #47
#16
W=wolf, C=cupid, V=villager, S=sorceror

today we have
2W 1S 1C 4V

if you are a nonlover villager, and we lynch you tomorrow will be

2W 1S 3V <= bad, wolves come out and tie it up.

if you are a lover villager, and the other lover is also a villager, tomorrow will be

2W 1S 2V <= worse

if you are a lover villager, and the other lover is a wolf, tomorrow will be

1W 1S 3V <= possibly winnable

But I discard the last 2, because it is never in a lover's interest to give themselves up.

The move is so ill advised it almost looks wolfish.








Time:2007-07-26 21:09:56 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2309141

Parent:#15
Siblings:#109
Children:#19
#17
sure, I'll play

vote [info]devil_engine

(plenty of time to change this if a more likely candidate shows up)


Time:2007-07-26 21:12:05 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2309397

Parent:#14
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #18
How do you think I feel? The last two people I was suspicious of (but didn't vote for), got lynched and eaten respectively.


Time:2007-07-26 21:15:30 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2309653

Parent:#17
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #19
I can't imagine a villager who was also a lover giving themselves up, unless they knew that their lover was a wolf, but given the numbers, even if a lover could know, it's still not good.

This whole thing vexes me.



Time:2007-07-26 21:16:11 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2309909

Parent:#16
Siblings:#31 #47
Children:(none)
 #20
God I hope you're right.

We could also hope, conversely, that the wolves accidentally eat the sorceror, stalling things a bit.

vote [info]devil_engine


Time:2007-07-26 21:16:51 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2310165

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Children:#22 #123
#21
Alright, I know the wolf strategy is bizarre, but I'm still expecting to die when the wolves eat next. So far, the only person that looks like a villager to me is [info]Gorillashaman, thanks to his exposing of [info]Makellan. Now I've been fooled plenty of times, I'll be the first to admit that, but no one else seems to have done anything that dramatically hurt the wolves. Everyone else, I'm pretty much neutral on.

I'm hesitant to do the Sheriff thing because all it does is make certain my death by wolf tonight, and there's no one to pass it on to, really. So I don't see any real benefit to it at all.

I'll see if I can think of anyone to vote for and vote later.


Time:2007-07-26 21:40:23 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2310933

Parent:#21
Siblings:#123
Children:#24
#22
How do you think he exposed it? The situation seemed pretty obvious to me.


Time:2007-07-26 21:45:09 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2311189

Parent:#9
Siblings:#11 #12 #13 #26
Children:#44
#23
Question for you, sir... And please, nobody else answer this. I want to know if he knows.

Do you know what the Lovers' Victory is?


Time:2007-07-26 21:48:39 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2311445

Parent:#22
Siblings:(none)
Children:#27 #43 #45
#24
Likewise. I'm willing to give [info]Gorillashaman the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but he's typically a very dangerous person for the wolves to leave alive. Accurate or not, his statistics are typically very convincing. If he is a wolf, he may have simply realized that [info]Makellan was far too obvious a target to be defended.


Time:2007-07-26 21:50:47 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2311701

Parent:(none)
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Children:(none)
 #25
I recall that [info]gorillashaman got labeled suspicious for jumping too quickly on a suggestion to lynch [info]baronlaw...who later turned out to be a wolf...



Time:2007-07-26 21:50:53 GMT
Author:[info]darkjuan
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2311957

Parent:#9
Siblings:#11 #12 #13 #23
Children:#29
#26
You're right. It does make you look suspicious, however if you are a wolf and you do get lynched, then there would only be one wolf left and odds would be against said wolf. So if you are truely a villager then we can't afford to lose you at this point in the game.
Before I vote I need to ask a question first (not necessarily to just you).

Do the "Lovers" know who they are?


Time:2007-07-26 21:53:58 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2312213

Parent:#24
Siblings:#43 #45
Children:#28
#27
Ah, but in this game of very random wolf-eatings, his statistics are seriously marginalized.

I suspect that at least one wolf is an experienced player and realized this.


Time:2007-07-26 21:55:07 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2312469

Parent:#27
Siblings:(none)
Children:#30
#28
You mean like [info]Baronlaw was?


Time:2007-07-26 21:56:11 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2312725

Parent:#26
Siblings:(none)
Children:#34 #38
#29
Unless it's changed from previous games, the lovers do not know the roles of their partners.


Time:2007-07-26 21:56:31 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2312981

Parent:#28
Siblings:(none)
Children:#33
#30
I didn't speak clearly-enough - at least one of the two left.


Time:2007-07-26 22:02:40 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2313237

Parent:#16
Siblings:#20 #47
Children:#42
#31
Alternately, he could be the sorcerer trying to draw attention away from the wolves in such a narrow pool. If this was the case, we would be left with

2W, 4V

This is another potentially winnable scenario, so I'm not sure why he would take it. Of course, [info]devil_engine is new and may not have been aware of this.

In my opinion, [info]devil_engine is most likely a lover who suspects his partner of being a wolf, but who doesn't know about the Lovers' Victory. In this case, he can't directly vote for his partner, and so is trying to take him/her out indirectly.

Cupid, do *not* confirm this, at least not yet. If [info]devil_engine is wrong and you out them, we're boned.



Time:2007-07-26 22:03:38 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2313493

Parent:(none)
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Children:#35
#32
Here are my thoughts...

[info]Cambler and [info]Gorillashaman both voted twice to lynch [info]Baronlaw, before the seer pegged him. Very villager-esque.

I know I am not a wolf, and H&H is uncontested as to his claim of being cupid.

Am I missing anything?

That seems, at least for me, to narrow the field a bit.





Time:2007-07-26 22:04:05 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2313749

Parent:#30
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #33
Ah, I see.


Time:2007-07-26 22:04:55 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2314005

Parent:#29
Siblings:#38
Children:#36
#34
But they do know the identity of their lover.


Time:2007-07-26 22:06:34 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2314261

Parent:#32
Siblings:(none)
Children:#37
#35
Not necessarily. They could simply be trying to put a smoke-screen on themselves. Alternately, one of them could be both a wolf and one of the lovers. If that were the case, they would *need* to get their fellow wolves lynched eventually, in order to satisfy the Lovers' Victory.


Time:2007-07-26 22:07:19 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2314517

Parent:#34
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #36
That's correct, yes.


Time:2007-07-26 22:08:50 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2314773

Parent:#35
Siblings:(none)
Children:#112
#37
Oh, and to remove any doubt that I'm actually talking about myself in the third person (as I have tried this in a previous game):

Vote [info]devil_engine

I will very likely be changing this later.


Time:2007-07-26 22:15:00 GMT
Author:[info]darkjuan
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2315285

Parent:#29
Siblings:#34
Children:#40 #41
#38
so they DO know they are "Lovers" then right?


Time:2007-07-26 22:17:11 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2315541

Parent:#7
Siblings:#122
Children:#82
#39
As I mentioned before, I have no intention of revealing the lovers at any point. This is still winnable for the villagers, and I'd really like to see a lover victory for once anyway. So if the wolves are only keeping me alive in the hopes I'll expose the lovers, they might as well eat me tonight.


Time:2007-07-26 22:18:38 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2315797

Parent:#38
Siblings:#41
Children:#55
#40
Yes, the Lovers would have received notification at the beginning of the game that they'd been shot by Cupid. They would also have been told the name of the other Lover. This is necessary, as neither Lover is allowed to vote for the other, not even in passing or by accident.


Time:2007-07-26 22:18:45 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2316053

Parent:#38
Siblings:#40
Children:(none)
 #41
yes, they do.


Time:2007-07-26 22:20:26 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2316309

Parent:#31
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #42
I mentioned above, and I've mentioned before, but just to reiterate: I'm not revealing who the lovers are at any point.


Time:2007-07-26 22:22:02 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2316565

Parent:#24
Siblings:#27 #45
Children:#83
#43
Well, it's a wheels within wheels within wheels thing again, just like it always is. But if [info]Makellan had survived, the wolves would have a victory today. That seems like a chance worth taking on the part of the wolves.


Time:2007-07-26 22:22:03 GMT
Author:[info]devil_engine
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2316821

Parent:#23
Siblings:(none)
Children:#48 #56
#44
no sir I do not...extremely new here


Time:2007-07-26 22:23:03 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2317077

Parent:#24
Siblings:#27 #43
Children:#53
#45
Well, if you look at the voting for the day it clearly shows that [info]Makellan's fury brethern had to have sold him out, the voting was pretty much unanimous.

The reason why I was sure he was a werewolf was that the Seer scanned him, and said he was human and the ONLY verified villager at the time. That night no one died and to me that point out he was Afflicted.

H&H has been very vocal about how gorilla isn't "ham-handed" in his approach and has been pretty quick to defend him while gorilla has been pretty quick to go after people.


Time:2007-07-26 22:24:58 GMT
Author:[info]devil_engine
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2317333

Parent:#13
Siblings:#14 #15 #16
Children:#49 #51
#46
I assure you, I'm a villager..But I'm trying to take the heat of H&H and possibly the lovers at this point.

Ill move I know, but, since I'm not a special of any kind, it still keeps things in the loop for a possibly victory on the side of the villagers.


Time:2007-07-26 22:27:03 GMT
Author:[info]devil_engine
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2317589

Parent:#16
Siblings:#20 #31
Children:(none)
 #47
and if I was a wolf, what good would it do me to out myself in any manner? That just puts the table in the villagers favor..

just sayin.


Time:2007-07-26 22:28:11 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2317845

Parent:#44
Siblings:#56
Children:(none)
 #48
The Lovers' Victory is a special win condition and is very difficult to achieve.

It requires that one of them be a wolf and the other be a villager or other "good" special. In such a case, the two lovers would have conflicting goals. One would be a villager, but wouldn't be allowed to vote for the other even though he's a wolf. The wolf, similarly, wouldn't be allowed to eat the villager.

So, as a special victory condition, the Lovers have to arrange it so that only the two of them survive. All other wolves and villagers must die. If they manage to achieve this, the two lovers run off happily ever after.


Time:2007-07-26 22:28:37 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2318101

Parent:#46
Siblings:#51
Children:#50
#49
If you are a villager, this was a very odd move. How does this "take the heat" of H&H? He's a marked man, as it is, but not for lynching. So, by taking the heat, we end the day with definitely losing two villagers today (one lynched, if you are a villager) and one eaten.


Time:2007-07-26 22:31:08 GMT
Author:[info]devil_engine
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2318357

Parent:#49
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #50
crap...I didn't look at it that way...



Time:2007-07-26 22:33:54 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2318613

Parent:#46
Siblings:#49
Children:#52
#51
No, actually, it doesn't. If you're a villager and we lynch you, the only way we don't immediately lose is if you're one of the lovers and the other one is a wolf. That's it.

So, in light of this, what say you?


Time:2007-07-26 22:36:48 GMT
Author:[info]devil_engine
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2318869

Parent:#51
Siblings:(none)
Children:#54
#52
ummmm, I'm completely lost here....

I assure you, just plain villager, and now I'm afraid that I may have just screwed us all...


Time:2007-07-26 22:37:38 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2319125

Parent:#45
Siblings:(none)
Children:#58
#53
Something like the 3rd or 4th comment from that day is [info]Gorillashaman virtually proving that [info]Makellan got eaten. As I mentioned elsewhere, if [info]Makellan was alive right now the wolves would win. I doubt a wolf would start a bandwagon that postpones their victory by at least a day.

As for his ham-handedness, or lack thereof, I've played enough with [info]Gorillashaman to know that when he's a wolf, he likes to use numbers and stats and elegant mathematical equations to convince OTHER people to tear down villagers. Using them to attack someone himself isn't his wolfy style, it's too blunt.


Time:2007-07-26 22:50:41 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2319381

Parent:#52
Siblings:(none)
Children:#61
#54
[info]Gorillashaman explained it pretty well earlier, but it breaks down like this...

There are currently eight of us, including two wolves and the sorcerer. Let's assume that you're a villager and not one of the lovers. Let's also assume that you get your wish and we lynch you today. Tonight, then, the wolves eat either Cupid or one of the other plain villagers.

Tomorrow, that leaves us with six people, including two wolves and the sorcerer. That means we have a fifty-fifty split between team good and team furball. At that point, the wolves can publicly identify themselves, allowing the sorcerer to join them in a vote block. Even if all the remaining villagers band together, the best we can do is a tie. In other words, it's mathematically impossible for the villagers to win and the game ends.

We lose.


Time:2007-07-26 22:56:30 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2319637

Parent:#40
Siblings:(none)
Children:#57
#55
And all of that and everything ANYONE needs to know about the lovers is 100% in the actual Master Rules . . . if anyone actually cared to read them . . .


Time:2007-07-26 22:57:28 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2319893

Parent:#44
Siblings:#48
Children:(none)
 #56
read the Master Rules please . . .


Time:2007-07-26 23:04:16 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2320149

Parent:#55
Siblings:(none)
Children:#59 #64
#57
lol, poor [info]parzanese, no one reads the rules.


Time:2007-07-26 23:04:38 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2320405

Parent:#53
Siblings:(none)
Children:#65
#58
I wouldn't say that was proof but merely pointing out the sense of the situation. He offered up a very, very sound theory and it happened to be true.

For now, I'll bow to your experience unless others can convince me to change my vote. However, if he [info]devil_engine isn't it, I think I have a suspicion on who my next vote will be.


Time:2007-07-26 23:06:01 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2320661

Parent:#57
Siblings:#64
Children:#62 #81
#59
well then next game, when someone asks a stupid question that was in the Master Rules, I'm going to delete it . . .


Time:2007-07-26 23:06:47 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2320917

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:#63 #67
#60
vote [info]devil_engine for not reading the Master Rules


Time:2007-07-26 23:07:45 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2321429

Parent:#54
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #61
Unless the wolves accidentally eat the sorceror. I don't think they know who each other is.


Time:2007-07-26 23:08:36 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2321685

Parent:#59
Siblings:#81
Children:(none)
 #62
lol no, i wasn't mocking you, just saying i feel bad how we've asked you for clarification like 32509820398 times this game.


Time:2007-07-26 23:09:40 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2321941

Parent:#60
Siblings:#67
Children:#66 #68
#63
...really?


Time:2007-07-26 23:09:55 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2322197

Parent:#57
Siblings:#59
Children:(none)
 #64
I read them! That's how I know these things! :D


Time:2007-07-26 23:10:13 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2322709

Parent:#58
Siblings:(none)
Children:#69
#65
I don't think [info]devil_engine is a wolf, I think he's just confused. For now i'm going to vote [info]lorriet on the basis that she's a girl, and therefore is inherently a liar :P


Time:2007-07-26 23:10:53 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2322965

Parent:#63
Siblings:#68
Children:#71
#66
I declare a mistrial! :P

p.s. I have read the "master rules" a couple of times, but haven't memorized them, or even close. I had to go back and refresh my memory of what the lover's victory was.


Time:2007-07-26 23:10:58 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2323221

Parent:#60
Siblings:#63
Children:(none)
 #67
i LOL'd


Time:2007-07-26 23:11:19 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2323477

Parent:#63
Siblings:#66
Children:(none)
 #68
I told everyone to read the rules.


Time:2007-07-26 23:12:12 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2323733

Parent:#65
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #69
There are no women on the internet.

Ahem. Still, not a wolf. Don't vote for me, please.


Time:2007-07-26 23:20:06 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2323989

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:#73
#70
vote cuddlycthulu


Time:2007-07-26 23:20:15 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2324245

Parent:#66
Siblings:(none)
Children:#72 #85
#71
On CuddlePuddle, your sentence "I declare a mistrial! :P" Has an orange background for the "I dec" part. WTF is that? Never seen it before.


Time:2007-07-26 23:20:59 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2324501

Parent:#71
Siblings:#85
Children:#74
#72
I'd tell you, but since I'm a woman, it'd be a lie.



Time:2007-07-26 23:22:47 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2324757

Parent:#70
Siblings:(none)
Children:#76
#73
Clarify for speeling:

vote [info]cuddlycthulhu


Time:2007-07-26 23:26:00 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2325013

Parent:#72
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #74
You're a tricksy one, you are.


Time:2007-07-26 23:26:12 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2325269

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:#77
#75
unvote [info]devil_engine and here's why...

1. Seems [info]Devil_engine has continuously stated that he is, in fact, not a special.

2. He has admitted the only reason why he suggested that we lynch him was to "take the heat of of H&H" which doesn't make any sense at all to me.

3. If he was a Lover, why would he vote to kill himself, knowing that his Lover would die as well? That seems to be a violation of the idea of the Lover role (if you can't vote to lynch your lover, why does it make sense to vote yourself knowing that it will kill them?).

4. This especially makes no sense, considering the fact that, even if he is a suicidal Lover, he doesn't know the status of his Lover which seems like a double waste because of the potential of getting the village nothing but deeper in the hole.

For now I'm going to hold my vote. Personally, anyone who continues to vote for Devil sounds like a bad guy to me.


Time:2007-07-26 23:26:38 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2325525

Parent:#73
Siblings:(none)
Children:#78
#76
Why?


Time:2007-07-26 23:29:23 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2325781

Parent:#75
Siblings:(none)
Children:#79
#77
reiterating my Vote [info]devil_engine

Go ahead call me a bad guy :)


Time:2007-07-26 23:30:22 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2326037

Parent:#76
Siblings:(none)
Children:#80 #86
#78
See my posts here http://[info]millershollow.livejournal.com/151829.html?thread=2311701#t2311701 and here
http://[info]millershollow.livejournal.com/151829.html?thread=2313493#t2313493.

Process of elimination (via my own logic), and lack of any better options.

Plus, calimari is teh yum!



Time:2007-07-26 23:33:44 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2326293

Parent:#77
Siblings:(none)
Children:#84
#79
I'm sorry, I've just read the rules, and it mentions nothing about the GM being able to vote. Clarify, please?

*tongue is stuck in cheek*


Time:2007-07-26 23:34:02 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2326549

Parent:#78
Siblings:#86
Children:(none)
 #80
unvote [info]devil_engine

vote [info]lorriet

For enjoying eating calamari.


Time:2007-07-26 23:39:17 GMT
Author:[info]darkjuan
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2326805

Parent:#59
Siblings:#62
Children:(none)
 #81
geez... just making sure. I'm new remember!


Time:2007-07-26 23:39:56 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2327061

Parent:#39
Siblings:(none)
Children:#93
#82
As I pointed out earlier, unless we lynch the SORCERER today, the wolves would be dumb not to eat you tonight.


Time:2007-07-26 23:40:57 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2327317

Parent:#43
Siblings:(none)
Children:#95 #97
#83
might that explain [info]daedalus4096's initial defense of makallen?


Time:2007-07-26 23:41:07 GMT
Author:[info]darkjuan
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2327573

Parent:#79
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #84
uh... yeah. same question.


Time:2007-07-26 23:46:43 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2327829

Parent:#71
Siblings:#72
Children:#90
#85
Script bug, I'll hunt it down later.

Normally that color is reserved for a "vote for a misspelled username", but no bad votes are showing up down below. Weird.


Time:2007-07-26 23:50:34 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2328341

Parent:#78
Siblings:#80
Children:(none)
 #86
First of all, as I have stated before, I am a squid-like-elder-god in reality, but in my heart I am a villager.

Secondly, I'd like to point out that I, like you, have [info]abstained when unsure of someone and, when I have voted, it was more often for a bad guy than what turned out to be a villager.

Thirdly, if I was a wolf or the sorceror, it would be in my best interests to lynch a villager today, and have one get eaten in the evening. Since [info]devil_engine appears to be nothing more than a confused newbie (I'm hoping) I withdrew my vote, which would be a stupid move for a sorceror or wolf to do.

Finally, if you're going by process of elimination, [info]Gorillashaman brings up a good point that Daedalus, initially, decided to vote against someone else in favor of [info]Makellan, even though he admitted that [info]Makellan was probably a wolf.


Time:2007-07-26 23:52:54 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:to Gorillashaman
Link:151829#2328597

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:#89
#87
The cuddlepuddle page catches my unvote but still has me listing for voting against [info]devil_engine.


Time:2007-07-26 23:58:52 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:salvation?
Link:151829#2328853

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:#92 #94
#88
I'm such a goon.
We might still have a shot, somebody check me on this.

Assume today we lynch a VILLAGER, and the wolves eat [info]hungryandhollow. That leaves

2W 1S 3V

What happens if all the villagers then announce that they are wolves? Think through both cases where the SORCERER does and does not out himself.


Time:2007-07-26 23:59:51 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:Re: to Gorillashaman
Link:151829#2329365

Parent:#87
Siblings:(none)
Children:#91
#89
unvote [info]devil_engine
I [info]abstain

(subject to further change later)


Time:2007-07-27 00:30:26 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2329621

Parent:#85
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #90
No big deal, was just curious if it was a feature I hadn't seen before.


Time:2007-07-27 00:46:18 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:Re: to Gorillashaman
Link:151829#2329877

Parent:#89
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #91
Thank you.


Time:2007-07-27 00:48:38 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:Re: salvation?
Link:151829#2330133

Parent:#88
Siblings:#94
Children:(none)
 #92
I've been thinking about that, but the problem is this: who the fuck are people gonna vote to lynch? The two wolves will stand united, knowing they are wolves. It's possible that two villagers will stand united. But the Sorcerer and the remaining Villager, they'll just be baffled. Which is not to say that it won't work - I'm just saying it's gonna be a shitshow.


Time:2007-07-27 00:51:08 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2330389

Parent:#82
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #93
I agree. I only mention it because, for some reason, the idea that I might reveal the lovers - or more often, the admonition not to - keeps cropping up from various players. I don't know how people keep missing my continual statements that I a) won't reveal them, ever and b) I've got a soft spot for lover victory after my 5780985 hellish rounds as a lover :P


Time:2007-07-27 00:57:13 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:Re: salvation?
Link:151829#2330645

Parent:#88
Siblings:#92
Children:#96 #98
#94
It's a crap shoot, but it's better than nothing.

Of course, you may have just spoiled it by revealing the existence of what I will call the Spartacus Gambit. If the sorcerer thinks you're a villager (and really, what wolf would suggest it?), he'll just vote for you and be done with it.

Unless, of course, you're a wolf trying to keep suspicion off of you for today. Maybe a wolf would suggest it after all?

The wine cuts both ways now, bitches! :D


Time:2007-07-27 01:01:30 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2330901

Parent:#83
Siblings:#97
Children:(none)
 #95
It might... but then again, he did say he wanted to get discussion going, which helps villagers in the long run and which wolves have tried to avoid this game. But maybe he said that to seem like a villager and was really a wolf...




Time:2007-07-27 01:02:25 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:Re: salvation?
Link:151829#2331157

Parent:#94
Siblings:#98
Children:(none)
 #96


Time:2007-07-27 01:03:12 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2331413

Parent:#83
Siblings:#95
Children:(none)
 #97


Time:2007-07-27 01:03:23 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:Re: salvation?
Link:151829#2331669

Parent:#94
Siblings:#96
Children:#99
#98


Time:2007-07-27 01:06:25 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:Re: salvation?
Link:151829#2331925

Parent:#98
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #99
In this case, it works to villager advantage. Like I said, the Spartacus Gambit relies on obfuscation.

Of course, I could just be saying that to cast suspicion on [info]Gorillashaman...

Or you...

OR YOUR LITTLE DOG, TOO!


Time:2007-07-27 01:11:52 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2332181

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:#101
#100
The cuddlepuddle site seems to be off by a lot.

It's not showing [info]lorriet's voting me and it hasn't taken my vote off of [info]devil_engine.


Time:2007-07-27 01:14:17 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2332437

Parent:#100
Siblings:(none)
Children:#102
#101
when you unvote someone, you must immediately vote for someone else or go I [info]abstain. If you don't it will continue to count your previous vote.


Time:2007-07-27 01:18:28 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2332693

Parent:#101
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #102
Oh, ok.

unvote [info]devil_engine
vote [info]abstain


Time:2007-07-27 01:48:58 GMT
Author:[info]darkjuan
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2332949

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:(none)
 #103
ahh.. hell!!! vote [info]lorriet because she likes calamari. *puke* :P


Time:2007-07-27 03:18:55 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2333205

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:#107
#104
Devil Engine, you'd be more convincing if you would [info]abstain from voting for yourself.


Time:2007-07-27 04:44:54 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2334485

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:#119
#105
In case anybody gets the bright idea to lynch [info]hungryandhollow, forget about it. If we do, there's a 20% chance the wolves will eat the SORCERER tonight, sure, but if we don't then there's a 42% chance we'll lynch either a WOLF or the SORCERER today.


Time:2007-07-27 07:12:58 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2334997

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:(none)
 #106
Ok, I believe [info]devil_engine was just a confused newb.

vote [info]darkjuan

for being generally suspiciously quiet.


Time:2007-07-27 13:27:45 GMT
Author:[info]devil_engine
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2335509

Parent:#104
Siblings:(none)
Children:#124
#107
ah...unvote [info]devil_enginevote I [info]abstain


Time:2007-07-27 14:27:55 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2335765

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #111 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:(none)
 #108
Note, the cuddlepuddle page never did pick up my vote for cuddlycuthuhlu (even though I did it twice, once to correct spelling). It also seems to be missing some comments (here says 107, there, 91 comments).

I think I'm missing something, but I can't put my finger on it. My thinking this game has been all wrong (though my votes have been mostly on).

For now, unvote cuddlycuthuhlu, vote [info]abstain


Time:2007-07-27 14:39:32 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2336021

Parent:#15
Siblings:#17
Children:#110
#109
Change your vote.


Time:2007-07-27 14:42:33 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2336277

Parent:#109
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #110
Not awake yet, but you don't make unfounded requests.

unvote [info]devil_engine
vote [info]abstain

Now, lemme catch up...


Time:2007-07-27 14:43:47 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2336533

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #113 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:(none)
 #111
I apologize for the script hiccups; Occasionally some do get missed for short periods of time. Today seems particularly bad for some reason. I'm attempting to fix it. Please reread all comments.


Time:2007-07-27 14:51:18 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2336789

Parent:#37
Siblings:(none)
Children:#126
#112
Change your vote.


Time:2007-07-27 15:16:01 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2337045

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #114 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:(none)
 #113
I've gotta go do a bunch of crap on the dairies, and mya not be back before the vote. I'll unvote [info]lorriet, vote [info]darkjuan.


Time:2007-07-27 15:21:52 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2337301

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #118 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:#115
#114
The site still isn't showing [info]lorriet's voting me.


Time:2007-07-27 15:22:17 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2337557

Parent:#114
Siblings:(none)
Children:#116
#115
Nevermind, I red her post.


Time:2007-07-27 15:32:47 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2337813

Parent:#115
Siblings:(none)
Children:#117
#116
Well, if you like, I can retract my unvote. ;)


Time:2007-07-27 15:44:19 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2338069

Parent:#116
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #117
Naw, I was hoping that some of my points had won the day.

(total villager)


Time:2007-07-27 16:24:03 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2338325

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #120 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:#121
#118
I'm just flummoxed.

I had a theory all worked out, but now, am seriously doubting it.

Yesterday, before [info]Gorillashaman posted his idea about everyone claiming wolfhood if a tie occurs, I had a similar idea. I didn't post it because I couldn't work it out in my head if it were a good thing.

When he posted his similar idea, I just thought...this can't be good...I'm just not that good at this game.

I am feeling like we are being manipulated into going in a direction; but by whom? The quiet ones, or the ones with elaborate plans?

Gr!


Time:2007-07-27 16:38:16 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2339093

Parent:#105
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #119
Why would anyone want to lynch H&H?

I mean, other than me, since I'm an evil woman...


Time:2007-07-27 16:43:29 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:Ok, suspicions revisited...
Link:151829#2339605

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #4 #8 #9 #21 #25 #32 #60 #70 #75 #87 #88 #100 #103 #104 #105 #106 #108 #111 #113 #114 #118 #129 #136 #142 #145
Children:#125 #128
#120
Daedalus, I believe, is a wolf (oh, btw, vote [info]daedalus4096):
1. Daedalus voted to go against [info]gorillashaman as opposed to [info]Makellan despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
2. Daedalus has never voted against any of the wolves except when it was blisteringly obvious who they were.
3. He was all to quick to jump on [info]devil_engine's line of thinking. He has since stuck with that line of reasoning.
4. Didn't vote until late in the game against [info]baronlaw after he was outed.
Voting History (final votes): [info]Giantlaser, [info]myshanter, [info]myshanter (carry over from the tie), [info]rustymaggot, [info]gorillashaman, [info]makellan, [info]baronlaw, [info]makellan, [info]flipperchaz,

[info]Cambler is a villager:
1. He voted against [info]dragonattack very early on and did not change his vote even though there was no chance of him winning and he did vote for [info]baronlaw when there was some chance of that person getting lynched before baron was outed.
Voting History: [info]gnatdbug, [info]dragonattack, [info]myshanter (carry over from the tie), [info]evilben, [info]baronlaw, [info]baronlaw, [info]baronlaw, [info]makellan,

[info]Darkjuan is probably a wolf/sorceror:
1. His votes have been against some of the most vocal people that say they are villagers.
2. At this late in the game tossing around votes to lynch without any real evidence.
3. Has never voted against a wolf except when all evidence points at that wolf.
Voting History: [info]flipperchaz, [info]devil_engine, [info]myshanter (carry over from the tie), [info]rustymaggot, [info]chessiekitty, [info]hungryandhollow, [info]baronlaw, [info]makellan, [info]devil_engine,

[info]Devil_engine is a villager:
1. This whole fiasco that he's done today. I've already put my break down on it.
Voting History: [info]gnatdbug, aphirite27, [info]amphitrite27 (carry over from the tie), [info]rustymaggot, [info]abstained, [info]baronlaw, [info]baronlaw, [info]makellan, [info]flipperchaz,

Gorrilla is a villager (but could be a sorceror):
1. Has repeatedly changed votes depending on evidence that contradicts other votes, always allows for other people's ideas to interact with his.
Voting History: [info]sonicbunny, amphirite27, [info]amphitrite27 (carry over from the tie), [info]rustymaggot, [info]baronlaw, [info]baronlaw, [info]baronlaw, [info]makellan, [info]flipperchaz,

H&H is a villager:
1. Uncontested claim to being Cupid.
Voting History: [info]stride, [info]amphitrite27, [info]myshanter (carry over from the tie), [info]rustymaggot, [info]chessiekitty, [info]baronlaw, [info]baronlaw, [info]makellan, [info]flipperchaz,

[info]Lorriet is most likely a villager:
1. Multiple abstentions in the face of insufficient evidence.
2. Has changed votes several times when faced with conflicting evidence.
Voting History: [info]gnatdbug, [info]myshanter, [info]myshanter (carry over from the tie), [info]makellan, H&H, [info]baronlaw, [info]baronlaw, [info]makellan, [info]abstained,

And, it should go without saying, I'm a villager. I already stated my evidence to my claim here: http://[info]millershollow.livejournal.com/151829.html?thread=2328341


Time:2007-07-27 16:43:58 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2339861

Parent:#118
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 #121
Please see the comment I just put up.


Time:2007-07-27 16:44:16 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2340117

Parent:#7
Siblings:#39
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 #122
Please see the comment I just put up.


Time:2007-07-27 16:44:33 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2340629

Parent:#21
Siblings:#22
Children:(none)
 #123
Please see the comment I just put up.


Time:2007-07-27 16:45:12 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2340885

Parent:#107
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #124
Please see the comment I just put up.


Time:2007-07-27 16:55:31 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:Re: Ok, suspicions revisited...
Link:151829#2341141

Parent:#120
Siblings:#128
Children:#127
#125
I'll vote [info]darkjuan, for now, while I think about this.


Time:2007-07-27 16:56:44 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2341397

Parent:#112
Siblings:(none)
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 #126
Sorry, work sucks. It sucks lots.

Unvote [info]devil_engine
Vote [info]Darkjuan


Time:2007-07-27 17:01:43 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:Re: Ok, suspicions revisited...
Link:151829#2341653

Parent:#125
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #127
It's the best guesses I could come up with after having looked back at some past history and votes.


Time:2007-07-27 17:07:28 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:Re: Ok, suspicions revisited...
Link:151829#2341909

Parent:#120
Siblings:#125
Children:#132 #135
#128
*sigh* No, I am not a wolf. I just suck. I've stated my reasons for the initial [info]Makellan vote in the past. When I realized that I was wrong, I withdrew my theory and changed my vote. I should point out that I did this *before* he confessed.

I hadn't changed my vote from [info]Devil_engine until now because I just now got back to work. The same work which prevented me from posting late yesterday. Grr...

Your evidence would be more convincing if we hadn't voted so similarly so often. IIRC, our final votes have overlapped at least three times, and I don't think that counts the obvious wolf votes.

Why you're posting this theory now is beyond me, unless you're trying to draw attention away from [info]Darkjuan. Nobody else has voted for me. Nobody's voted for you. And the day's almost over.

As for your theories:

[info]Cambler: Voting for a fellow wolf when you have no chance of winning is a fantastic smokescreen. I've used it many times in the past.

[info]Gorillashaman: Repeatedly changing votes is also a means to sow discord among the voters. My theories have also allowed for others' ideas to change them, so I'm not sure why that's a benefit for him, but not for me.

[info]Lorriet: Abstentions are not a good thing. They only help the wolves by reducing the voting pool. About the only thing they're good for is making you look innocent, even (or especially) when you're not.

You: Same comment about abstentions.


Time:2007-07-27 17:09:49 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2342165

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#129
At this stage, I'm hesitant to vote for someone just because they're quiet. Look where that's gotten us so far.

On the other hand, such a seemingly random vote appear to be no better or worse than any other!

I'm still not clear what [info]devil_engine's gambit was. Can someone illuminate that?


Time:2007-07-27 17:11:37 GMT
Author:[info]devil_engine
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2342421

Parent:#129
Siblings:(none)
Children:#131
#130
pure stupidity


Time:2007-07-27 17:14:55 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2342677

Parent:#130
Siblings:(none)
Children:#133
#131
Unacceptable answer.

Elaborate on the stupid, please.


Time:2007-07-27 17:21:41 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:Re: Ok, suspicions revisited...
Link:151829#2342933

Parent:#128
Siblings:#135
Children:#134
#132
My theories are simply theories, but I'm trying to figure out who the wolves might be based on past stuff, rather than let people vote to lynch someone because "they're a woman" or "they're too quiet" which seem like really thoughtless ways to vote.

Re: your comment about [info]darkjuan - How am I trying to get attention away from him? I came right out and called him a wolf.

Re: [info]Cambler - [info]Cambler actually was one of three people who initially jumped on [info]baronlaw the day before he was outed, which was the day that chessiekity was lynched. Starting it off, they had a pretty decent chance of getting him lynched if people had continued that way.

Re: [info]Gorillashaman - While I'll admit you have a sound theory regarding [info]gorillashaman's changing of the votes, my point regarding him was that he not only changed his vote because of his own theories but also by evidence shown by other people. You only changed your votes the day the seer outed [info]Baronlaw, the day regarding [info]Makellan, and the today.

*shrug* If you think I'm a wolf, come up with some reasons behind why.


Time:2007-07-27 17:25:29 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2343189

Parent:#131
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 #133
From reading it, it appears he mistakenly believed we were going to lynch [info]hungryandhollow, and wanted us to lynch him instead.

I'm not sure I see the logic there, although I believe every one of us is guilty of the occasional lapse in clear thinking.


Time:2007-07-27 17:29:35 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:Re: Ok, suspicions revisited...
Link:151829#2343445

Parent:#132
Siblings:(none)
Children:#141
#134
You're absolutely right. You call [info]Darkjuan a wolf, but you also call me a wolf. And yet, despite stating that you think that both of us are wolves, you vote for me instead of him. You do this even though nobody else has voted for me and three other people have voted for [info]Darkjuan.

You are, in fact, attempting to change the target of the current vote away from somebody that you think is a wolf. And you try to lynch me for the same stated reason?

You, sir, have just tipped your hand.

Unvote [info]Darkjuan
Vote [info]Cuddlycthulhu


Time:2007-07-27 17:32:20 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:Re: Ok, suspicions revisited...
Link:151829#2343701

Parent:#128
Siblings:#132
Children:(none)
 #135
Note: I only actually [info]abstained once at the final vote, because at that point it didn't matter, and I wasn't going to vote for someone I didn't believe was a wolf.


Time:2007-07-27 17:32:23 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2343957

Parent:(none)
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#136
I'd like to make sure that everybody is aware of this comment that [info]Cuddlycthulhu has just made. I believe he has just slipped up and exposed himself as a wolf. Please review it and make your own determination.


Time:2007-07-27 17:39:04 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2344213

Parent:#136
Siblings:(none)
Children:#138
#137
Oh, crap.

I hate when I start second guessing myself, then second guessing my second guesses.


Time:2007-07-27 17:40:23 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2344469

Parent:#137
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Children:#139
#138
Likewise, but this time I believe we have more than just a gut feeling to go on.


Time:2007-07-27 17:42:07 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2344725

Parent:#138
Siblings:(none)
Children:#140 #144
#139
Well, it's late in the game-day, and I'm afraid of hitting a tie. If [info]darkjuan is a wolf, as is suspected, we can vote for CC tomorrow,no?


Time:2007-07-27 17:44:21 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2344981

Parent:#139
Siblings:#144
Children:#143
#140
If [info]Darkjuan is a wolf, yes. But we don't have anything solid on him, other than CC's defense of him. He's just being lynched because he doesn't post much. If you don't feel comfortable switching your vote, then don't. But if we get this vote wrong, our chances of survival tomorrow are low.


Time:2007-07-27 17:47:35 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:Re: Ok, suspicions revisited...
Link:151829#2345237

Parent:#134
Siblings:(none)
Children:#146
#141
It's an interesting theory of yours, it's too bad it doesn't make any sense.

1. I fingered you both for wolves. The majority is already going against [info]darkjuan; the majority loses nothing with me voting for someone else.

2. I levied the most amount of potential evidence against you; in my opinion, if I'm going to build such a case against you, it would seem ethically wrong to not vote for you.

3. I believe what you're now trying to do is cover up the fact that there is MORE evidence against you than there is [info]darkjuan. You fail to mention that in my comment there are more reasons to vote you than anyone else.

4. If you are both wolves then I can see what you are potentially doing: right now there are only three votes for [info]darkjuan. If you are able to drop even one vote from him and add it to me, it forces a tie, potentially saving him.

I think this is just further suspicious activity proving what you are.


Time:2007-07-27 17:48:18 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2345493

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 #142
Please see my response to Daedalus' accusations posted here: http://[info]millershollow.livejournal.com/151829.html?view=2345237#t2345237


Time:2007-07-27 17:49:22 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2346005

Parent:#140
Siblings:(none)
Children:#147
#143
Defense?! I labelled him a wolf! How does that count as a defense?


Time:2007-07-27 17:50:36 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2346261

Parent:#139
Siblings:#140
Children:(none)
 #144
Ask yourself this, when evidence is pointed that suspects them both most vigorously of being wolves, why is he trying to defend him?


Time:2007-07-27 17:54:56 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:Death possibly approaching
Link:151829#2346773

Parent:(none)
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Children:#148
#145
If [info]darkjuan is, indeed, a wolf, I suspect that either I or H&H will die tonight.

I will come out and say this, I am not a Lover, just a normal villager.

Remember that Daedalus has never once voted against [info]darkjuan or another wolf and that he has now done everything to attempt to sway [info]Lorriet's vote.

[info]Lorriet, please don't take this the wrong way but it only makes sense; you've shown that if unsure you'll change your vote or [info]abstain. It makes sense for him to work on you and none of the others due to their history.

If I die tonight, please avenge me.

F'taghn.


Time:2007-07-27 17:55:59 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:Re: Ok, suspicions revisited...
Link:151829#2347029

Parent:#141
Siblings:(none)
Children:#149
#146
1. The majority *does* lose if one of them is sufficiently convinced to change his/her vote.

2. Ethics has nothing to do with it. This is about winning. Or, if you prefer to roleplay, survival.

3. Of *course* you list more evidence against me! You want me to get lynched!

4. The difference between us here is that you're convinced that [info]Darkjuan is a wolf. I just thought he was more likely than [info]Devil_engine, and even then not by much. My suspicion of you trumps both of them combined.

This activity does prove what I am: right.


Time:2007-07-27 17:57:26 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2347285

Parent:#143
Siblings:(none)
Children:#150
#147
Because it doesn't matter anymore who you say is a wolf and who you say isn't. It's too late for that. All that matters is who you vote for. If we get this vote wrong, we're almost guaranteed to lose tomorrow, even if you wolves come out and admit what you are.


Time:2007-07-27 17:58:17 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:Re: Death possibly approaching
Link:151829#2347541

Parent:#145
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #148
Actually, I did vote against [info]Darkjuan. I was going to leave that vote until you tipped your hand. You have only yourself to blame.


Time:2007-07-27 18:00:15 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:Re: Ok, suspicions revisited...
Link:151829#2348053

Parent:#146
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #149
1. Ok, I'll concede that coul be possible, but

2. I vote how I feel according to my conscience. Early on I went against it and got two people killed who were villagers. I really didn't like that. Sense then I've tried to be a bit more intelligent about how I've voted.

Also, this is a group game, there is no personal victory.

3. Yes, that usually goes with a higher degree of suspicious behavior (you do post more) and the fact that I believe that you are a wolf.

4. Personally, I think you're just doing it to try and safe a fellow flea bag.


Time:2007-07-27 18:01:40 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:151829#2348309

Parent:#147
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #150
Actually, it does because there are some people who are villagers and who will need to be convinced of their votes (H&H, [info]Lorriet, and [info]Cambler).


Vote History
[info]devil_enginevote[info]devil_engine2007-07-26 20:45:09 GMT#9
[info]camblervote[info]devil_engine2007-07-26 21:07:55 GMT#15
[info]gorillashamanvote[info]devil_engine2007-07-26 21:09:56 GMT#17
[info]cuddlycthulhuvote[info]devil_engine2007-07-26 21:16:11 GMT#20
[info]daedalus4096vote[info]devil_engine2007-07-26 22:08:50 GMT#37
[info]parzanesevote[info]devil_engine2007-07-26 23:06:47 GMT#60
[info]hungryandhollowvote[info]lorriet2007-07-26 23:10:13 GMT#65
[info]lorrietvote[info]cuddlycthulhu2007-07-26 23:20:06 GMT#70cuddlycthulu
[info]lorrietvote[info]cuddlycthulhu2007-07-26 23:22:47 GMT#73
[info]cuddlycthulhuunvote[info]devil_engine2007-07-26 23:26:12 GMT#75
[info]parzanesevote[info]devil_engine2007-07-26 23:29:23 GMT#77
[info]parzaneseunvote[info]devil_engine2007-07-26 23:34:02 GMT#80
[info]parzanesevote[info]lorriet2007-07-26 23:34:02 GMT#80
[info]gorillashamanunvote[info]devil_engine2007-07-26 23:59:51 GMT#89
[info]gorillashamanvote[info]abstain2007-07-26 23:59:51 GMT#89
[info]parzanesevote[info]abstain2007-07-27 01:14:17 GMT#101
[info]cuddlycthulhuunvote[info]devil_engine2007-07-27 01:18:28 GMT#102
[info]cuddlycthulhuvote[info]abstain2007-07-27 01:18:28 GMT#102
[info]darkjuanvote[info]lorriet2007-07-27 01:48:58 GMT#103
[info]gorillashamanvote[info]darkjuan2007-07-27 07:12:58 GMT#106
[info]devil_engineunvote[info]devil_engine2007-07-27 13:27:45 GMT#107
[info]devil_enginevote[info]abstain2007-07-27 13:27:45 GMT#107
[info]lorrietvote[info]abstain2007-07-27 14:27:55 GMT#108
[info]camblerunvote[info]devil_engine2007-07-27 14:42:33 GMT#110
[info]camblervote[info]abstain2007-07-27 14:42:33 GMT#110
[info]hungryandhollowunvote[info]lorriet2007-07-27 15:16:01 GMT#113
[info]hungryandhollowvote[info]darkjuan2007-07-27 15:16:01 GMT#113
[info]cuddlycthulhuvote[info]daedalus40962007-07-27 16:43:29 GMT#120
[info]lorrietvote[info]darkjuan2007-07-27 16:55:31 GMT#125
[info]daedalus4096unvote[info]devil_engine2007-07-27 16:56:44 GMT#126
[info]daedalus4096vote[info]darkjuan2007-07-27 16:56:44 GMT#126
[info]daedalus4096unvote[info]darkjuan2007-07-27 17:29:35 GMT#134
[info]daedalus4096vote[info]cuddlycthulhu2007-07-27 17:29:35 GMT#134
Vote Summary
3 against[info]darkjuan:[info]lorriet [info]gorillashaman [info]hungryandhollow
3 against[info]abstain:[info]devil_engine [info]parzanese [info]cambler
1 against[info]daedalus4096:[info]cuddlycthulhu
1 against[info]lorriet:[info]darkjuan
1 against[info]cuddlycthulhu:[info]daedalus4096
Posted but no vote:[info]maniakes [info]millershollow
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posts by[info]cambler:(7)#7 #15 #27 #30 #110 #129 #131
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