millershollow - Day 5

Link:169914 Sat Jan 23 00:18:25 2010

Howls went up through out the night, as the wolves were celebrating the death of the SEER.

cambler lay awake in his bed listening to the madness outside. But he did not lay awake for long. The wolves came through front and back doors, ripping them off hinges, flinging furniture aside, and bursting into the bedroom of

cambler.

After the carnage, they crept out under the guise of the moon, and began heading back to their respective cottages. One, however, turned down the wrong alleyway. A figure materialized out of the darkness, "Silly

sonicbunny, life is for villagers!" the figure said, as a large knife glinted in the moonlight. The wolves eyes went wide, and it's howls of joy became howls of anguish.

SUMMARY:

cambler the VILLAGER is DEAD!

sonicbunny the WOLF is DEAD!

	Time:2009-09-25 19:51:06 GMT Author:millershollow Subject:(none) Link:169914#2755770	Parent:(none) Siblings:#2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#1
	Since it's Friday, today's "day" ends at 11 am Monday.

	Time:2009-09-25 19:51:27 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:(none) Link:169914#2756026	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#3 #7	#2
	First: Two minutes is insufficient time to react. Unfortunately, this truth got our seer killed. We've discovered that Snoopy is not a wolf. That's all we're getting from our late Seer. Second: High Five for the Serial Killer. Two wolves is great work.

	Time:2009-09-25 19:53:29 GMT Author:millershollow Subject:(none) Link:169914#2756282	Parent:#2 Siblings:#7 Children:#6 #14 #33	#3
	Re: Second - well christ, somebody's got to do it, you guys can't kill a wolf to save your lives :)

	Time:2009-09-25 19:53:57 GMT Author:lorriet Subject:(none) Link:169914#2756538	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#18	#4
	At least the serial killer is doing something right. :P Coming up after this break: My Boyfriend, the Werewolf! Now, to go peruse sonicbunny's voting patterns...

	Time:2009-09-25 19:54:05 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2756794	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#31 #36	#5
	Well - I'm comforted by the fact that cambler was not an afflicted or a special, as I REALY debated hard whether to use my save. Sorry cambler, but there was only a one in five chance you were an afflicted, the bguard or the martyr. The Serial Killer ...hmmmm ... i'm tempted to vote him/ her a MEDAL at this point, or maybe the Sheriff badge ??? Wow .... After that last minute voting, I was gogin to ask Bunnny and Rusty to pony up why the sudden changes of votes at the last minute, but now I'll ask Rusty alone. Untill i hear more compelling reasoning against it: VOTE rustymaggot

	Time:2009-09-25 19:55:07 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2757050	Parent:#3 Siblings:#14 #33 Children:(none)	#6
	well, that DOES remain to be seen :P We have a few days left, no ?

	Time:2009-09-25 19:55:55 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2757306	Parent:#2 Siblings:#3 Children:(none)	#7
	Yeah, i'm actually happy I outed myself early now ... 2 minutes !!! SOB !!!

	Time:2009-09-25 19:57:33 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2757818	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#11 #74	#8
	OK - how do you guys feel about putting the poison up to village vote ? I'm not against the idea - but lets not poison unless we have strong reason to ?

	Time:2009-09-25 20:01:13 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2758586	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#10 #26	#9
	And since the last listkeeper is now dead ... The LIVING: dragonattack evilben faymar flipperchaz gnatdbug gwydion82 hungryandhollow logophylia1 lorriet maniakes ragnarok_now rustymaggot snoopyh42 slojae smurfetts_lamb stride The Specials Remaining: Wolf (x2) Witch Bodyguard Martyr Ghost Serial Killer Afflicted (possibly) The DEAD : gorillashaman: Villager myshanter: Villager cuddlycthulhu: Cupid baronlaw: Ralph Nader maniakes: Villager chessiekitty: Werewolf ophiomancer: Hunter slownewsday: Villager flowen: Villager starryshadows: Villager, lover sylvan: Villager, lover cambler: Villager giantlaser: The Seer sonicbunny: Werewolf

	Time:2009-09-25 20:03:45 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2758842	Parent:#9 Siblings:#26 Children:#15	#10
	ALSO: The RULES: http://millershollow.livejournal.com/90566.html Miller's hollow index: http://ma8p.com/~adam/ljgames/millershollow/

	Time:2009-09-25 20:04:22 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:(none) Link:169914#2759354	Parent:#8 Siblings:#74 Children:#13	#11
	The poison is your final act of defiance. You can get suggestions, but honestly, you're going to want to make the call, because you're the only one we KNOW is trustworthy. Snoopy has a good likelihood of being trustworthy, but not a certainty. Serial Killers show blank for the seer, but we know he's not a wolf. Also, you can only use one potion a night, and so we kinda need you to survive to get you to your full effect. I'm contemplating whether it is worth the martyr's life to ensure the poison gets delivered, and I'm coming to the conclusion it probably isn't, at this point in the game. It will depend somewhat on the lynch. If we get the serial killer today, everything becomes simple. If we get a wolf, we're in good shape. If we get a villager, honestly having another special in the wings may be more valuable when it comes down to the wire.

	Time:2009-09-25 20:17:57 GMT Author:snoopyh42 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2760122	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#59	#12
	On one hand, Yay! Backed up as being a villager by a reliable source! On the other hand, Boo! We lynched our seer! For now, I'm sticking with my old standby that she's evil and has pointy teeth. vote stride

	Time:2009-09-25 20:19:39 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2760378	Parent:#11 Siblings:(none) Children:#16	#13
	Asuming the BGaud defended last night, tonight I can save myself if the wolves come to get me, and then the BGuard can step up the next night (unless we figure out someone more valuable ?). The Martys should hold off - the wolves might not even target me. Actually - if I were the wolves, I'd go for Snoopy hoping (s)he is the afflicted. BGuard should cover snoopy tonight. Unfortunately, the chances of us hitting a wolf or the killer are less than 20%. Even with all the "evidence" we can find, I don't think it's likely ....

	Time:2009-09-25 20:20:45 GMT Author:faymar Subject:(none) Link:169914#2760634	Parent:#3 Siblings:#6 #33 Children:(none)	#14
	LOL So true.

	Time:2009-09-25 20:23:19 GMT Author:faymar Subject:(none) Link:169914#2761146	Parent:#10 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#15
	As it's a long weekend, I am going to take my time trying to work out what useful information we have gained through all this mess. I can't believe I'm cheering a serial killer on!

	Time:2009-09-25 20:35:01 GMT Author:snoopyh42 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2763706	Parent:#13 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#16
	FYI, Snoopy = He. I hadn't considered the afflicted possibility.

	Time:2009-09-25 20:46:39 GMT Author:ragnarok_now Subject:(none) Link:169914#2764730	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#19 #21 #32	#17
	Sheesh, how hard is it for the Seer to keep a low profile? vote rustymaggot for last-minute tie.

	Time:2009-09-25 21:24:27 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:(none) Link:169914#2768314	Parent:#4 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#18
	His voting patterns are actively worthless :P The only thing that could be assumed from it is that Faymar is unlikely to be a werewolf, but there is no certainty. He was whimsical in his voting, and never even got included in dogpiles. He was just a little too willing to toady up to EvilBen, and so he got cut (quite literally).

	Time:2009-09-25 21:38:20 GMT Author:gwydion82 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2770618	Parent:#17 Siblings:#21 #32 Children:#55	#19
	because my last instinct was spot on, and the math is still stacked against us, vote rustymaggot

	Time:2009-09-25 21:39:17 GMT Author:lorriet Subject:(none) Link:169914#2770874	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#22 #44	#20
	Does anyone have a read on Gwidyon (sp?)? He voted for sonicbunny early in Day 4, and never altered it, with pretty flimsy arguments. Maybe it was a smokescreen vote? Like "I can't be a wolf, I voted to lynch SB!" Grasping at straws again, but it's just a thought.

	Time:2009-09-25 21:54:23 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:(none) Link:169914#2771898	Parent:#17 Siblings:#19 #32 Children:#23	#21
	sadly, not tie enough...

	Time:2009-09-25 21:56:03 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:(none) Link:169914#2772410	Parent:#20 Siblings:#44 Children:#24	#22
	The fact that he volunteered to be lynched yesterday redeems him somewhat in my eyes. He survived on a fluke with the lover's death, and then offered to make it right. We may need to kill him later, but for now, I don't think he fought hard enough to be anything other than a villager. That's just my take, however. Discussion always welcome.

	Time:2009-09-25 21:56:22 GMT Author:lorriet Subject:(none) Link:169914#2772666	Parent:#21 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#23
	Sonicbunny voted last last minute to push the tie away from Stride... wonder if that was a last minute protection of a fellow wolf? (Yeah, I'm grasping at even more straws)

	Time:2009-09-25 22:04:57 GMT Author:hungryandhollow Subject:(none) Link:169914#2773178	Parent:#22 Siblings:(none) Children:#25 #28	#24
	Or maybe that's a wolfy tactic. He was never in any real danger yesterday.

	Time:2009-09-25 22:14:57 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:(none) Link:169914#2774458	Parent:#24 Siblings:#28 Children:(none)	#25
	Yup. I'm well aware. Just putting my thinking on the line.

	Time:2009-09-25 22:17:21 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:(none) Link:169914#2774970	Parent:#9 Siblings:#10 Children:#27	#26
	maniakes is not, unfortunately, among the living.

	Time:2009-09-25 22:20:12 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:(none) Link:169914#2775226	Parent:#26 Siblings:(none) Children:#52	#27
	Also, I will laugh hysterically if the remaining wolves are Gnat and Rusty. That just meant that we went to an infected animal village, and needed to kill the smallest animals first :P things like lambs and gorillas would be too big. However, I'm not sure if maggots or gnats are really animals, so I'd have to check. Bunnies and Kitties, definitely.

	Time:2009-09-25 22:43:17 GMT Author:gwydion82 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2776762	Parent:#24 Siblings:#25 Children:#29	#28
	I'm actually confused by that. I was in horrible danger the day before, and we had no new evidence, and suddenly it turns away from me? hardly even a mention, even when I offered myself up. And the wolves didn't eat me either. I think I managed to convince them that I am a normal villager, and so they're still looking for specials. Unfortunately, outside of sonicbunny, and now rustymaggot all my suspicions have been based on past play, not this game. Kill off the most devious and pray you're right. dragonattack seems to think like me, which unfortunately doesn't mean much, although I'm hesitant as a villager to cut outwardly cut another villager slack. If that person does turn out to be a wolf, you know you're next in line. When I die, and you see I'm a villager, if dragonattack, you should make them a target. Until then, I'm going to focus elsewhere.

	Time:2009-09-25 22:45:00 GMT Author:hungryandhollow Subject:(none) Link:169914#2777274	Parent:#28 Siblings:(none) Children:#67	#29
	Well, the danger to you came from the fact that we had about 20 minutes to pick a new person to lynch. We needed to get 6 votes, and you were the only person who was already halfway there. I don't think anyone hopping on the bandwagon at the last minute there had any particular suspicions about you.

	Time:2009-09-25 23:02:17 GMT Author:evilben Subject:(none) Link:169914#2777530	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#30
	I'm still in game. Sorry, had personal issues and considered dropping out. Sorry, Logophylia. I elected not to log in the remainder of the day, so I couldn't change my vote. Um, go Cerial Killer. Find those doggies. Dunno who to vote for. Uh, Sonicbunny did thank Lorriet for advice and she has been keeping a low key. Admittedly, that's really thin. Too thin for me to cast a vote on at this time.

	Time:2009-09-26 03:08:42 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:(none) Link:169914#2780346	Parent:#5 Siblings:#36 Children:(none)	#31
	which vote are you curious about? i dont blame you for your suspitions. ive made a few bad calls this game.

	Time:2009-09-26 03:22:54 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:(none) Link:169914#2780602	Parent:#17 Siblings:#19 #21 Children:(none)	#32
	what tie?

	Time:2009-09-26 03:34:10 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:(none) Link:169914#2780858	Parent:#3 Siblings:#6 #14 Children:(none)	#33
	is that new character 'village idiot' or is it 'idiot village'

	Time:2009-09-26 04:35:19 GMT Author:gnatdbug Subject:(none) Link:169914#2781114	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#34
	Traditionally when the voting analysis of wolves is done, we have more to work with. As it has been pointed out neither wolf lost so far has a lot to use as a pattern. They both were acting in low-key quiet wolf mode, but none of the really vocal people this game have given me the good noisy wolf vibe.

	Time:2009-09-26 05:15:47 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2781370	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#37 #50	#35
	so far we villagers havent got much right. i think its time to come to terms with how bad we are doing. our specials are waiting till the last minute( minute and what? 40 odd seconds?) to reveal that they need to live. so much time is wasted by not having this info in time to react. if the witch or seer had come out at the beginning of whatever day they were outed then we could have rationally chosen a better lynching subject instead of scrambling to change votes in time. ok, heres the deal, im the bodyguard. i protected ophiomancer a day early because she said something that i noticed peculiar. at that time i thought she was the seer and i protected her thinking the wolves would also notice the peculiar arrangement of words. they did not, or they did not choose to act. i was suprised when she claimed hunter but not suprised that she was a special character. there was nothing i could do for her because i cant protect same person twice in a row. i protected hungry and hollow. as to why, i cannot remember. i dont think i had time to think so i went with him for no valid reason. something cambler said made me believe him and i suspected cambler was the seer and he wanted giant laser lynched. i went with that lead and was going to protect cambler, but.... giantlaser outed himself last minute. yeah i know, last freaking minute. i immediately tried to save him with an abstain vote change but the clock showed me 4 minutes late. i had hoped for a tie so we could have time to vote properly and chose a good suspect to kill. didnt happen. at that point i asked about if giant laser had lived or not and said if he did live i would protect him. i also said that if giant laser was dead then id like to change my mind and protect no one. now for the current events. i did not save anyone last night. i was positive the wolves would assume our witch was protected. no point in protecting her. i called that one. bout the only thing ive done right. my confidence is a bit bruised after making a timing error with one special and changing my mind about another. time will tell how i did protecting hungryandhollow. with my luck, he was a wolf. why am i outing myself? because i am confident that my big mouth will get me killed if i try to talk my way out of the line of fire. ill start digging a hole, i know, ive seen me do it. i also believe that my worth to the village is better spent by giving the gift of a weekend long debate where we arent chasing shadows and rumors or arguing to kill a special. if i am not lynched, i can guarantee one save. now my role is made public. i need my fellow villagers to make decisions with as much info as possible and to have that info as early as possible.

	Time:2009-09-26 05:43:46 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:(none) Link:169914#2781626	Parent:#5 Siblings:#31 Children:#79	#36
	ok, i checked lj before reading my emails when i got home. now i see your question. that vote that almost caused a tie. there is nothing wrong with a tie, as long as the tie is broken. last game i played i pushed for a intentional tie, thus giving us more debate time and stronger debates. because of this we saved a special that would have been lynched. more info and behaviour to study= more accurate guesses. unfortunately the wolves were smart and talked everyone into thinking my unusual ideas were suspitious. the other idea i had was letting the lynched person name who they thought we should lynch next. that way, if they turned out to be a special, or a human character, we would have at least one honest opinion of who to look at and it would be from a verified human source. if a wolf was lynched then we would disregard the name. with a group voting blindly and only the wolves can plot, we lose people fast. but, if we agree to all vote for what the last killed proven human wanted, we are guaranteed a guess by a known character. better than playing blind.

	Time:2009-09-26 05:48:53 GMT Author:evilben Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2781882	Parent:#35 Siblings:#50 Children:#38 #39	#37
	Alright, Rusty. I'll bite. Who do you think we should kill?

	Time:2009-09-26 06:01:59 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2782138	Parent:#37 Siblings:#39 Children:#41 #43 #45	#38
	if i had to pick, gwydion82 and slojae. they both seem off.

	Time:2009-09-26 06:04:11 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2782394	Parent:#37 Siblings:#38 Children:#40	#39
	oh, and you.

	Time:2009-09-26 06:07:52 GMT Author:evilben Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2782650	Parent:#39 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#40
	Of course. Because trying to save the hunter and lovers is such a wolfy thing to do.

	Time:2009-09-26 06:11:42 GMT Author:smurfetts_lamb Subject:You just made the next mistake Link:169914#2782906	Parent:#38 Siblings:#43 #45 Children:#42 #78	#41
	I see absolutely no reason for you to justify outing yourself now. There are 8 villagers left. Most likely 5 days left in the game, we could easily make it. If you are a wolf we should vote for you. If you are the bodyguard then there is no way you can protect the witch (who says she is logophylia1) if you decide to protect someone else. Thus you will condem logophylia to death on monday. I also see no reason why you would not protect someone last night. Just makes no sense.

	Time:2009-09-26 07:10:45 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:Re: You just made the next mistake Link:169914#2783162	Parent:#41 Siblings:#78 Children:#58	#42
	"Thus you will condem logophylia to death on monday." only if i get lynched and cannot protect. "I also see no reason why you would not protect someone last night. Just makes no sense." first, the witch was covered by the wolves thinking she was unkillable. my dillema for today was to leak the info that the bodyguard didnt protect last night and that gave her an extra day of protection, if suspition had not fallen onto me today(dillema solved since i chose to out myself). if the wolves didnt attack last night its as good as if i had protected. now the protection could have started and whatever the order of protections had been established, we would have delayed the attack an extra day, and also muffed up the enemys count on who is supposed to die, or protect, or whatever vulnurabilites our protections have. if the wolves expect a martyr death on a certain night but no one dies..... that messes with their heads a little. second, i had no time to rethink my choice to protect last night. i chose cambler because he convinced me that giantlaser should be voted on. when giant laser outed himself, i had to rethink my stance on cambler. i didnt have a back up in mind and i was playing from the computer in the showroom at work and i was already pushing the time i could take for lunch. a hindsight reason is also that the serial killer is a far better wolf hunter than we are. i wouldnt want to block his work at this point. "I see absolutely no reason for you to justify outing yourself now." well, here we go on that... if i stay alive i have to lay low. i notoriously say things that get me killed in this game. i cant talk about my suspitions or other thoughts when im expecting to try to lay low and survive. and i kinda expected my term as bodyguard to get cut short any day now anyway. i had a feeling that im a target soon anyway. wolves getting lucky and killing me vs wolves attacking me on purpose. at least with me out in the open we can assume im next or at least on deck on the wolves hit list. if i survive being lynched today, i not only get to save someone else, but also the wolves must kill me before they can attack publicly known specials. crap, its after midnight. i work at 6am. dont worry, ill be nice and vocal till im killed.

	Time:2009-09-26 07:23:14 GMT Author:hungryandhollow Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2783418	Parent:#38 Siblings:#41 #45 Children:(none)	#43
	What about Stride? She was saved from possible lynching during a tiebreaker by a vote from a wolf at about 1 minute to go.

	Time:2009-09-26 07:27:20 GMT Author:slojae Subject:(none) Link:169914#2783674	Parent:#20 Siblings:#22 Children:(none)	#44
	you might have something there... since sonnic bunny was never really majorly voted against character at the time... we have all weekend to discuss but, i'm liking it so far

	Time:2009-09-26 07:27:24 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2783930	Parent:#38 Siblings:#41 #43 Children:#47 #48	#45
	I was thinking it as well. Vote slojae. He's been very quick to speak up, then vanishes into the back as the day wears on. It may simply be his schedule with work, etc, but it's been something consistent that I've noticed. I'm still not entirely sure at this point bout Gwydion... unfortunately, I thought he was a problem early, and now I've grown conflicted.

	Time:2009-09-26 07:35:51 GMT Author:slojae Subject:(none) Link:169914#2784186	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#46
	we have all weekend to debate... and I work monday 9-5 so won't be around for last minute announcements so my leanings are either a)gywidion82 from lorriet's logic... b)stride because of the last minute switch... or ragnorak_now(sp) because hes been unusually quiet although dragonattack being first to cheers the cereal killer might be tootin his own horn... and thats one less of us to die each night (except his track record as the wolf version of van helsingis pretty good... how long will those guesses last?)

	Time:2009-09-26 07:38:32 GMT Author:slojae Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2784442	Parent:#45 Siblings:#48 Children:#57	#47
	yeah...day 1&2 i was off...3&4 i worked 2-1030 and drink a couple pitchers of beer... i'm midshift through the weekend and 9-530 on monday sorryif my work schedule makes me suspicious... i could say the same about evilben..

	Time:2009-09-26 07:39:52 GMT Author:slojae Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2784698	Parent:#45 Siblings:#47 Children:(none)	#48
	and note... i didn't say anything early today cause i had to walk down, get my paycheck, walk to the bank, pay bills etc... all before 2pm when i had to work... (damm DUI)

	Time:2009-09-26 07:40:42 GMT Author:slojae Subject:(none) Link:169914#2784954	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#49
	do we know if the afflicted is dead if the wolves don't eat him/her?

	Time:2009-09-26 07:50:46 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2785210	Parent:#35 Siblings:#37 Children:#51 #76	#50
	As for coming out NOW... I think it may have been a little premature, but the consideration is appreciated. It would have been optimal to let you stay under the radar, but we as the village have done a poor job of it. We now get the fun of a bit of special choice. It is my opinion that the bodyguard is the most important special remaining to us. However, we're NOT in a happy place. We have an outed witch, an outed bodyguard, and a martyr left to us. We're going to have to play a pretty awesome shell game with the serial killer and the wolves here. Martyr, I can't measure your contribution to the game without knowing who you are, but from a mechanical point of view, I think it's worth sacrificing the Martyr for another day of the Bodyguard at this point. As for the healing potion... I'm torn now. Honestly, I think that the healing potion and whether it gets used successfully or not will be a big part of the end game, for more than one reason. More on that as time progresses. Let's crunch some numbers in public! There are 6 people who know that they are a special. There are 15 of us left. That leaves 9 of us with villager cards. We have three people who are (without much question) villagers. Our Witch, and our Bodyguard I trust. The witch implicitly, the bodyguard nearly so. If this was not the real bodyguard, then one of two situations has arisen. 1) The serial killer is a total idiot. 2) One of the two remaining wolves is sacrificing themselves to take out the bodyguard. Neither make tactical sense at this point in the game. Hence my general trust. Snoopy was also cleared by the seer. That gives him slightly privileged status at the moment. Not as much as the other two, because he's still possibly the serial killer. But anyways, we're currently trying to find wolves, I think. Oh wow, entertainingly evolutionary thinking. We're rather at the end game. At least the beginning of it. Our seer's hesitation on letting us save him cost us much of our midgame. Since the Martyr is a one shot use, that costs them their life, I think it would be advantageous if they came forward as well, if they plan to save you. It would allow us to work with one more confirmed villager today, and let us avoid mistakes that much easier. And the downside of coming out later would be the possibility of a wolf contesting the claim, causing chaos and costing us time. I am rather certain we can make sure that only the martyr dies tonight (of the specials). Would simply be the bodyguard protecting the witch, the martyr protecting the bodyguard... I think it's a good plan, but I of course leave it up to the discretion of those who are actually in the position... Well, I rambled on for way too long, but that's most of what I wanted to point out. If I forgot anything, or made any mistakes, or logical errors, please let me know. The luxurious weekend discussion sounds nice to get everything straight :D

	Time:2009-09-26 08:20:38 GMT Author:slojae Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2785466	Parent:#50 Siblings:#76 Children:(none)	#51
	and we still don't know if the afflicted is killed yet so there's still another random...there could be another wolf waiting to happen... i'm still at a loss... even though you have a vote against me... (if you were the cereal killer you wouldn't have to vote so, you're off that list.. still don't know about your furriness)

	Time:2009-09-26 08:33:04 GMT Author:slojae Subject:(none) Link:169914#2785722	Parent:#27 Siblings:(none) Children:#53	#52
	totally random conclusion... snoopy, is a great dane, family canis.... related to a dog? not a vote against him... but...yeah random and i just thought of that as i read that (the second time)

	Time:2009-09-26 08:47:45 GMT Author:slojae Subject:(none) Link:169914#2785978	Parent:#52 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#53
	and yeah i just remembered snoopy is confirmed good guy i'm a bit tipsy so ignor that lst remark

	Time:2009-09-26 08:51:04 GMT Author:slojae Subject:(none) Link:169914#2786234	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#54
	since he's the only who's voted for me,and i'm buzzed i'm gonna vote dragonattack i'msure once reason andlogic come back i'll think of something... but we havetill monday

	Time:2009-09-26 11:03:13 GMT Author:gwydion82 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2786490	Parent:#19 Siblings:(none) Children:#56	#55
	It still hasn't counted my vote yet, as I can see, but after what rustymaggot said, unvote rustymaggot. Well, as long as everyone suspects me, I suspect the wolves will let me live. Better odds for them finding a special, and if they're lucky, I'll be lynched, wasting a lynching death. I suspect that I don't have long for this game, so I'm going to say this. You shouldn't lynch me. I am a normal villager. I have nothing to back up this claim, but I will say this; if the witch or the martyr sees me eaten by wolves, do not save me. This way you can be sure I'm not a wolf trying Joe's gambit. Also, as an added bonus. If no one dies during the night, you'll know it's between me being afflicted, and the wolves targeting the person protected by rustymaggot If you do decide to lynch me, stride is at the top of my list. If I get eaten, I'm leaning more towards dragonattack, because we think similarly, and if I were a wolf, I would play that way. On a side note, does the martyr and/or the witch get to see who the victim is if the victim is afflicted, or do they just see that no one died, meaning another special saved, or it was the afflicted? Either way, it seems short order that I would be outed as afflicted if either scenario happened. Knowing my luck, I will be the afflicted, and will just have ruined my ability to play it.

	Time:2009-09-26 11:06:27 GMT Author:gwydion82 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2786746	Parent:#55 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#56
	oh, and I forgot vote stride, although that may change, since I'm likely to follow snoopy's advice, since he's the only voice I can trust.

	Time:2009-09-26 17:25:10 GMT Author:evilben Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2787258	Parent:#47 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#57
	Yeah. Those damn wolfy work shifts...

	Time:2009-09-26 17:53:58 GMT Author:smurfetts_lamb Subject:Re: You just made the next mistake Link:169914#2787514	Parent:#42 Siblings:(none) Children:#61	#58
	If the martyr saves you then all of our good specials will be outed. With days still left in the game this just does not make sense. The martyr should save himself til the end.

	Time:2009-09-26 18:01:14 GMT Author:smurfetts_lamb Subject:(none) Link:169914#2787770	Parent:#12 Siblings:(none) Children:#60 #69	#59
	Give your reasons for voting Stride. If you are the cereal killer then you are doing a good job of finding wolves in which case we should listen to your instincts on voting. If you are a regular villager then why vote stride?

	Time:2009-09-26 18:45:05 GMT Author:smurfetts_lamb Subject:(none) Link:169914#2788026	Parent:#59 Siblings:#69 Children:#70	#60
	unvote stride - crap damn voting program.

	Time:2009-09-26 19:01:38 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:Re: You just made the next mistake Link:169914#2788282	Parent:#58 Siblings:(none) Children:#62	#61
	that wouldnt be my mistake. that would be the martyrs if they chose to save me. unless someone can convince me that i need saving then id recomend the martyr stay hidden.

	Time:2009-09-26 20:52:37 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:Re: You just made the next mistake Link:169914#2788538	Parent:#61 Siblings:(none) Children:#63	#62
	Apparently my thinking wasn't clear enough. Here is what I'm going off of. The Martyr's power results in his death. His power cannot benefit himself, but someone else. Even if he doesn't actually take an attack away from his target, but instead eats the attack by altering their choice to kill him, he's still done his job. His job is to die, so that someone else may live. Currently, there are only two people worth having live; the witch and the bodyguard. The martyr, if they stay quiet, can AT BEST try and force a trade with a lying wolf. If a wolf tries to claim martyr, he could then reveal himself, and hope that we believed that he was the one not lying. Depending on the timing, we could not have the time to make a mistake, and the wolf would have an advantage from it. However, at the moment, there is no downside to letting the martyr come out now. 1) It gives us another confirmed villger for today. We'd have 3.5 to work with, and that's going to be the largest consensus we're ever going to have, because those people are going to be rapidly dying. 2) Regardless of HOW the martyr dies, they're SUPPOSED to die. That is their purpose. I would rather see two more days of the bodyguard/witch, than have the martyr stay hidden to help throw a little bit of chaos in when they end up being this village with poor judgment's lynch target, and coming out to save themselves when there are no people worth using their power to save left. Ther is no downside to having all our good specials "out" if they're not any better hidden. I'd love for the bodyguard and witch to not be out. But unfortunately, that choice isn't mine. They made it, and both for decent reasons, in my opinion. However, keeping a suicidal special hidden doesn't seem to make sense. I mean, heck, they may just decide they like someone's logic, and keep THEM alive n extra day. But it seems worthwhile to remove the chance of lynching them, have them come forward while we have some room to breathe, and work while we can mass the largest number of confirmed specials we can. The ONLY way we could possibly get more is if we happen to have the ghost finally killed, AND they decide that instead of being petty and/or random, that they'd like to continue helping the village. If we somehow miraculously manage to get all three of our good specials through the night, and get the ghost, AND Snoopy survives, then we're at 4.5 villagers. A gain of one, at the cost of one (since the ghost eats a kill). I just don't think it makes sense to wait on the martyr. Yes, we're losing all the elements of surprise available to village. But we don't LIKE surprise. We like consistency. We like to make informed decisions when we can. Sadly, this is our last opportunity to get there. Smurfette I believe you are trying to help, but you have taken a confrontational tone to your attempt to get more information out of people, and you also have done nothing to explain your own logic. I am more suspicious of you now than I was when I went to sleep. Maybe you can help shed some light on your thinking, so I feel less like you are trying to simply cloud the discussion.

	Time:2009-09-27 01:08:29 GMT Author:smurfetts_lamb Subject:Re: You just made the next mistake Link:169914#2790842	Parent:#62 Siblings:(none) Children:#64	#63
	That is a huge pile of poop, if I ever read it. The martyr should stay hidden. They are an asset to the villager, If they make it to the last two days, they will know who the villager is and how to save them.

	Time:2009-09-27 04:36:43 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:Re: You just made the next mistake Link:169914#2791098	Parent:#63 Siblings:(none) Children:#65	#64
	but, the martyr counts as a villager. when hes the last special alive he ceases to be special. theres no point saving anyone, what if the martyr saved a wolf? or if the martyr saved the serial killer? better to know that hes the only known human(from his viewpoint) than risk saving a badguy. martyr should stay hidden. and now back to your previously sceduled wheeles within wheels. tell me if this would make any sense, bodyguard saves witch tonight,martyr "maybe" protects bodyguard. that way witch is for sure alive tomorrow and bodyguard is possibly alive. the trick is that the martyr will have to decide if playing the same game with my life that i played with the witches life would work or not. basically i gambled the witches life on that i could protect her with the threat of protection, and i gained a extra day i could protect. but after outing myself( and trading my life for better discussion time)well hell, im not a math person, but it seems like we broke even. theoretical scedual for protecting witch as follows...last night bg with illusion of protection , tonight bg, tomorrow witch , next day bg if im alive, martyr, then bg again. now, about the serial killer...... if we can work the assumptions and reason out what they will do, things might work out into a fair fight. if the serial killer, whos shown a talent for gutting wolves, continues to hunt the wolves then the wolves become extinct and we have a pretty fair fight against the serial killer. the serial killer wants the wolves dead asap, if im not mistaken. serial killer can hide in a group of humans better than a group of humans with a conspiring set of wolves hidden in it. so its the best interest of the serial killer to hunt wolves and leave the specials alone for now. the wolves, possibly, might want to avoid the risk of a wasted attack by attacking a (maybe)protected special and spend their time hunting for the serial killer among the unknowns. so theres a chance that even tho im outed, i might survive long enough to run protection for a while. or..........what if i said each night i would protect a random player with unknown role, i might avoid a death by serial killer because it reintroduces the chance that i protect the serial killer from the wolves. until the wolves are all dead that is. now back to smurfetts theory that the martyr should hide till last days and then trade places with a maybe plain villager.... i just dont get it. please elaborate on that one.

	Time:2009-09-27 04:42:03 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:Re: You just made the next mistake Link:169914#2791354	Parent:#64 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#65
	also, vote gwydion82 to even up our options on the lynching. i think we have ignored some good prospects because we felt the person was not close enough lynchable to be worth voting for. i just want his name up for consideration.

	Time:2009-09-27 07:34:17 GMT Author:slojae Subject:(none) Link:169914#2792122	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#68	#66
	here i am again trying to make sense of all of this... unvote dragonattack vote gwidion82 him being a newbie doesn't make him not a special... we've got to get rid of them... and being buzzed isn't enough reason to vote against someone even if i am just an innocent villager

	Time:2009-09-27 07:39:39 GMT Author:slojae Subject:(none) Link:169914#2792378	Parent:#29 Siblings:(none) Children:#75 #80	#67
	he said them... he's gotta beone of the evil ones

	Time:2009-09-27 08:05:11 GMT Author:slojae Subject:(none) Link:169914#2792634	Parent:#66 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#68
	vote gwydion82 guess it didn't regeister

	Time:2009-09-27 17:06:07 GMT Author:snoopyh42 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2793146	Parent:#59 Siblings:#60 Children:(none)	#69
	I'm afraid I don't have any reasons for voting stride besides gut feeling. Also, not the serial killer. Just a villager.

	Time:2009-09-27 17:12:10 GMT Author:smurfetts_lamb Subject:(none) Link:169914#2793402	Parent:#60 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#70
	Vote abstain

	Time:2009-09-27 17:15:35 GMT Author:smurfetts_lamb Subject:(none) Link:169914#2793658	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#71
	BTW... Looking at who he went after, I am pretty sure the cereal killer is just as shocked as everyone else that he keeps getting wolves. It happens that two of the wolves outed so far have been small furry animals. But he also went after opiomancer and myshanter in other days. I see not pattern to this.

	Time:2009-09-27 17:17:09 GMT Author:smurfetts_lamb Subject:(none) Link:169914#2793914	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#72
	I also think at this point we need to look at which two people keep consistently voting for the same one person. A team of votes so to speak. And I know most of my comments are cryptic. This is truly how my brain works. It is not on purpose.

	Time:2009-09-27 18:26:10 GMT Author:snoopyh42 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2794170	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#73
	unvote stride vote abstain

	Time:2009-09-27 22:23:35 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:(none) Link:169914#2794426	Parent:#8 Siblings:#11 Children:(none)	#74
	I'd rally like to see what you think, as far as "since the bodyguard is out." Hopefully will hear from ya soon.

	Time:2009-09-28 01:43:27 GMT Author:gwydion82 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2794682	Parent:#67 Siblings:#80 Children:#81	#75
	my "them" was regarding the wolves. They want to get specials over regular villagers. And I'm still an unknown to the rest of us, so I'm still a likely lynch target. Why kill me when they can hope you'll do it for them. Especially because every turn they leave me alive, the more likely you are to kill me instead.

	Time:2009-09-28 01:50:31 GMT Author:gwydion82 Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2794938	Parent:#50 Siblings:#51 Children:#89	#76
	why would a fake bodyguard mean that the serial killer is an idiot? a wolf can claim bodyguard status without arising any real suspicion, because the bodyguard can only convince us that he's lying by outing themselves, which basically translates to sacrificing a wolf for a body guard. Granted, it would be a scary play, since if the bodyguard is real, he's likely to be the serial killers next target, with only the martyr and his own ability able to save him, and he's likely to use that ability on the witch, to give us a chance to use the potion. Rustymaggot at this point is only likely to be the bodyguard, the serial killer, or a wolf. I think bodyguard is the likeliest, because being any of the others, his death is very likely, at the hands of the other killing group. This does get us into the wine game about whether or not to save him, though.

	Time:2009-09-28 01:54:53 GMT Author:gwydion82 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2795194	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#77
	my last two votes and unvote from yesterday have still not shown up on the feed. vote stride. Lets see if it gets this one. I hope everyone is seeing my logic and arguments, because I think it's likely I'm getting lynched tomorrow morning. I'm trying to get as much of my thought process out there as possible, to help you on, once you see I'm a regular villager.

	Time:2009-09-28 02:27:18 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:Re: You just made the next mistake Link:169914#2795450	Parent:#41 Siblings:#42 Children:#82	#78
	I am a HE for the record. I'm not sure I see the logic behind not protecting someone, but that might just be bad judgment. As for not protecting me "tonight" - I can still live easily enough via my own save or the martyr. I think the outing is timely enough - not IDEAL, but I would have voted to lynch rusty otherwise, and I'm sure others would have as well. unvote rustymaggot vote abstain Will be adjusted once I absorb more info

	Time:2009-09-28 02:30:55 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2795706	Parent:#36 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#79
	It actually WASN'T causing a tie - it was breaking a tie pretty last minute into a lynch :P I have no issue with ties :) I'm pretty close to full acceptance of your status as BGuard, per the absence of a challenge combined with something you said in another post that resonates with something posted by the GM (so I CAN'T repeat it here ... or I would)

	Time:2009-09-28 02:51:56 GMT Author:hungryandhollow Subject:(none) Link:169914#2795962	Parent:#67 Siblings:#75 Children:(none)	#80
	what?

	Time:2009-09-28 03:07:58 GMT Author:smurfetts_lamb Subject:(none) Link:169914#2796218	Parent:#75 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#81
	You said you were a villager and that we should lynch you. You chose to put yourself out there and up for vote.

	Time:2009-09-28 03:11:03 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:Re: You just made the next mistake Link:169914#2796474	Parent:#78 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#82
	"I would have voted to lynch rusty otherwise, and I'm sure others would have as well." pretty much. i knew i was on a downhill. many would have followed your lead. at least this way, im dead but the villagers dont waste a lynching on me. "As for not protecting me "tonight" - I can still live easily enough via my own save or the martyr." if i live past the lynching, i guarantee your safe tonight. or should i bank on the wolves thinking your under protection tonight and protect someone else? it worked once.

	Time:2009-09-28 03:38:48 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:State of the Village Adress Link:169914#2796730	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#84	#83
	We have 15 folks alive in the town today. 2 of them are murderous wolves. One is a serial killer. Of those who are NOT wolves we have a few key players left. The Witch the Bodyguard and the Martyr all have abilities that may directly advantage the villagers in surviving the predations of the wolves and the killer. We have a villager who will rise as a ghost after death to communicate with us from beyond the veil. It is IMPORTANT TO NOTE: this has NO game effect. The ghost does not count as a villager after death and cannot vote for lynching. They simply are allowed to continue commenting to the living. The death of the ghost is EXACTLY the same as the death of a vanilla villager for game purposes. We also MAY still have an afflicted among us (we have not, to my knowledge received a confirmation that the afflicted status is revealed when the afflicted is lynched). logophylia has claimed to be the witch and is unopposed in this claim after a full night snoopyh42 has been confirmed as having villiager status to the seer (but may still be an afflicted) rustymaggot has claimed to be the bodyguard, but has not had a night cycle to test his claim The remaining "unidentified" players are: dragonattack evilben faymar flipperchaz gnatdbug gwydion82 hungryandhollow lorriet ragnarok_now slojae smurfetts_lamb stride

	Time:2009-09-28 03:52:21 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:Re: State of the Village Adress Link:169914#2796986	Parent:#83 Siblings:(none) Children:#85	#84
	OK - SO - this is my first game of Miller's online - so I can't say for sure of the three townperson's specials is most important: Witch, BGuard or Martyr, BUT - I think the BGuard outweighs the Martyr. Sorry, Martyr. But as has been posted before, the Martyr exists to die to save someone else. They could use that ability to save a normal townsperson, but I think that's less useful than saving the BGuard, and probably the Witch. I'm going to go with the idea that Rusty IS the BGuard for now, as I have some reason to believe it, and NO reason right now to doubt. Keep that is mind for the rest of my analysis. BGuard didn't save last night, so the save is open tonight. My save is still unused. I can save ANYONE besides the serial killer's victim, and at this point, I think the serial killer is more on our side than against it (... wow ...)SO - If BGaurd covers me, Martyr covers BGuard, most we loose is the Martyr, which we WILL loose eventually anyway. UNFORTUNATELY without the seer, we are in a race to try to guess out the wolves before they gut the town. We should preserve the BGuard as long as possible. As for who to lynch ... I've got nothing right now :( I'm a VERY cautious lyncher, and maybe I shouldn't be (it's a game after all), but there it is. Probably the reason I have opposed electing a sheriff, and why i would be a horrible one for the position as well.

	Time:2009-09-28 04:17:10 GMT Author:smurfetts_lamb Subject:Re: State of the Village Adress Link:169914#2797242	Parent:#84 Siblings:(none) Children:#86	#85
	Snoopy can also be the cereal killer regardless of what he says.

	Time:2009-09-28 04:42:17 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:Re: State of the Village Adress Link:169914#2797498	Parent:#85 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#86
	Sure thing - but I'm not gunning for the serial killer ATM, just wolves.

	Time:2009-09-28 04:55:19 GMT Author:hungryandhollow Subject:(none) Link:169914#2797754	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#87
	With no better leads, I'm going to vote gwydion82, and I may not be on tomorrow before the lynching to change it.

	Time:2009-09-28 05:18:56 GMT Author:smurfetts_lamb Subject:(none) Link:169914#2798010	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#88
	So something has been getting to me about how everything is being phrased. I vote hungryandhollow I was wrong about giantlaser so i suggest you not follow my vote with your own unless you have good reason. I won't be back online til after the vote tomorrow.

	Time:2009-09-28 05:52:13 GMT Author:dragonattack Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2798266	Parent:#76 Siblings:(none) Children:#96	#89
	If the serial killer faked bodyguard, it would make him an idiot. The wolves would attack him, and down he'd go.

	Time:2009-09-28 05:54:50 GMT Author:evilben Subject:(none) Link:169914#2798522	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#97	#90
	So, I've compiled a program that takes people's voting history, past roles, gender, shoe size, and credit score and determines the ones most likely to be a wolf. Not really. Just making fun of past game silliness. Anyways, VOTE GWYDION82 because I voted against them before it was cool. They gave me a bad vibe in the pit of my stomache from the beginning. They're a wolf or I have gas. Another suspicion is Lorriet. She's been very "quiet wolfy" and has yet to answer my challenge. If I get eaten for that observation, keep that in mind.

	Time:2009-09-28 09:06:59 GMT Author:faymar Subject:(none) Link:169914#2798778	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:#92 #98	#91
	When chessiekitty was outed as a wolf I checked her votes but they were safe bets (gorillashaman and slownewsday) Sonicbunny's votes are a bit more interesting: flipperchaz gwydion82 faymar faymar logophylia Now I know I'm not a wolf (I understand that for the rest of view, that's open to question) and logophylia has said he's the witch. Voting for non-wolves seems a sensible option for a wolf so for the moment, I'm going to presume that everyone that sonicbunny voted for is not a wolf. Snoppyh42 has been confirmed a villager and Rustymaggot says he's the bodyguard so that leaves us with the following: dragonattack evilben gnatdbug hungryandhollow lorriet ragnarok_now slojae smurfetts_lamb stride

	Time:2009-09-28 09:36:06 GMT Author:faymar Subject:(none) Link:169914#2799034	Parent:#91 Siblings:#98 Children:#93	#92
	Voting patterns: dragonattack gorillashaman slownewsday gwydion82 stride slojae evilben ragnorok_now logophylia1 gwydion82 logophylia1 gwydion82 gnatdbug gorillashaman stride stride stride novote hungryandhollow novote giantlaser gwydion82 logophylia1 gwydion lorriet cambler baronlaw novote stride novote ragnarok_now slownewsday novote sylvan novote rustymaggot slojae gorillashaman baronlaw ophiomancer giantlaser dragonattack smurfetts_lamb novote baronlaw ophiomancer giantlaser hungryandhollow stride maniakes abstain abstain giantlaser novote

	Time:2009-09-28 09:51:27 GMT Author:faymar Subject:(none) Link:169914#2799290	Parent:#92 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#93
	I'm not sure how much that helps. I'm going to vote slojae for most consistently voting for non-wolves. But I admit it's a whim.

	Time:2009-09-28 15:02:30 GMT Author:snoopyh42 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2800058	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#94
	It's little more than a gut feeling, but... vote hungryandhollow

	Time:2009-09-28 15:13:48 GMT Author:gnatdbug Subject:(none) Link:169914#2800314	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #99 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#95
	I have been voting consistently for one person, and still have yet to be able to unravel this knot. VOTE STRIDE. While our confirmed and unconfirmed specials are not voting in a block, it is hard to come up with a new tactic till a little more is presented.

	Time:2009-09-28 15:35:35 GMT Author:gwydion82 Subject:Re: BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE Link:169914#2800570	Parent:#89 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#96
	It's risky, true, but there are a few saves from the wolves out there that could keep him alive, long enough to kill 5 people (2 of his own kills, 3 lynchings, including today's). The killer's luck has been good so far. Just some food for thought.

	Time:2009-09-28 15:47:29 GMT Author:gwydion82 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2800826	Parent:#90 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#97
	you have gas.

	Time:2009-09-28 15:53:45 GMT Author:gwydion82 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2801082	Parent:#91 Siblings:#92 Children:(none)	#98
	keep in mind, he only voted for flipperchaz because flipperchaz voted for him. More of a roommate rivalry than real vote. I wouldn't call him completely clear.

	Time:2009-09-28 16:52:07 GMT Author:stride Subject:(none) Link:169914#2801338	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #100 #101 #105 #112 Children:(none)	#99
	I'm back online! :) First off...The seer is dead...Aurgh!!! Secondly, there is a lot to read, so please help me make sure I'm up-to-date on the current special villager claims (I do NOT want to vote for someone who is not killing villagers!): snoopyh42: Confirmed villager logophylia1: witch rustymaggot: Bodyguard There seems to be a lot of talk about the use of the Martyr. I agree that the best use of their special ability is to cover the bodyguard. At the very least it gives one more night for the bodyguard to protect either logophylia1 or snoopyh42 (if I remember correctly he cannot protect the same person twice in a row). I know people keep cheering on the cereal killer for offing wolves (coughthank youcough), but for better or for worse the killer is also someone we need to be on the lookout for as the village will not be safe until all the night-time killers are caught. We have three lethal killers out there, no seer, and no way to confirm vanilla villagers. Thoughts?

	Time:2009-09-28 17:06:54 GMT Author:gwydion82 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2801594	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #101 #105 #112 Children:#102 #104	#100
	Well, we're in the last hour, and it looks like I'm on the block. I have no argument for why I shouldn't be lynched. I think that people need to be looking at the sonicbunny and stride connection. One thing that may go in my defense, I did not vote for killing our seer, nor our hunter, and I did manage to successfully vote for one confirmed wolf. But then, that's what a wolf would say. . . Maybe I'll get to be the ghost. Hopefully not, as I currently have nothing to offer in the way of advice, but it would be fun to haunt those that lynch me.

	Time:2009-09-28 17:16:49 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:(none) Link:169914#2801850	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #105 #112 Children:#103	#101
	here are my suspitions as of right now...... gwydion82 not only worries me alot but i kinda want to watch him die. kind of like kenny on southpark, you just enjoy it. slojae worries me a bunch. probably more than gwydion flipperchaz only slightly less worrysome evilben worries me a bunch as well faymar seems odd but maybe hes always odd. post 87 hes talking about how he assumes people sonicbunny voted for were not wolves. but voting for fellow wolves is a known misinformation tactic. either way, killing the new guy is good for the village. it removes a less experianced player and it saves us from lynching a more valuable and more experianced player. ragnaroknow midlevel worrysome he worried me even before his failure to unvote me smurfettes lamb something seems off. specially the part about how the martyr should save themself till later, come on, later theres no one worth saving when all specials are dead. too much risk of accidentaly saving the serial killer. and she failed to explain her self when asked about that topic and has since posted other things players who are quiet should be lynched i say this because if they are just laying low, then itll at least get em involved in the game when their necks are at risk, no specials we need to worry about forcing out. and if they are working too much or other real life stuff going on, well, then they arent really in the game with both feet anyway.

	Time:2009-09-28 17:18:29 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:(none) Link:169914#2802362	Parent:#100 Siblings:#104 Children:(none)	#102
	prays your not the ghost, and kicks himself for thinking of the role

	Time:2009-09-28 17:34:21 GMT Author:stride Subject:(none) Link:169914#2803130	Parent:#101 Siblings:(none) Children:#106	#103
	I would vote, but I don't think that my choice would make any difference at this late in the day. :\|

	Time:2009-09-28 17:39:26 GMT Author:stride Subject:(none) Link:169914#2803386	Parent:#100 Siblings:#102 Children:(none)	#104
	For the record, I voted for giantlaser since he was the only other person close to me in votes. I'm just villager and I feel like the best way that I can help the village (at this point) is by staying alive. Unfortunately I didn't catch that he was the seer and I would have voted for myself to have kept him alive.

	Time:2009-09-28 17:42:46 GMT Author:logophylia1 Subject:(none) Link:169914#2803642	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #112 Children:#108	#105
	Sorry folks - couldn't log in earlier than now. I'm sticking with abstain right now - I don;t see enough to lynch anyone in particular and my gut has been VERY bad to me in finding wolves ... Sorry Martyr, but I think you are best off covering Rusty unless you are VERY sure he's not the bguard, in which case, though I disagree, I hope you are right. I would still LOVE a confirmation from Joe that we get the afflicted tage if the afflicted in lynched ? And .... crossing my fingers for another serial killer wolf-kill !

	Time:2009-09-28 17:43:19 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:(none) Link:169914#2803898	Parent:#103 Siblings:(none) Children:#107	#106
	UNVOTE GWYDION82 VOTE STRIDE betcha vote now.

	Time:2009-09-28 17:46:08 GMT Author:stride Subject:(none) Link:169914#2804154	Parent:#106 Siblings:(none) Children:#109	#107
	chuckles While I was looking for a little more inspirational/insightful rather than threatening post... vote hungryandhollow

	Time:2009-09-28 17:47:25 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:(none) Link:169914#2804410	Parent:#105 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#108
	i just changed my vote to tie things up. i trust your vote more than anyone elses at this point. so, go with your gut. i was acting funny and you noticed. i had a reason. but no one else has a reason cause all specials are out(more or less). go with your gut and break the tie.

	Time:2009-09-28 17:56:04 GMT Author:rustymaggot Subject:(none) Link:169914#2804666	Parent:#107 Siblings:(none) Children:#110	#109
	UNVOTE STRIDE VOTE GWYDION82 there we go. kind of a pulp fiction moment. you gotta have an oppinion.

	Time:2009-09-28 17:57:42 GMT Author:stride Subject:(none) Link:169914#2804922	Parent:#109 Siblings:(none) Children:#111	#110
	Um, for the record, I think we're still tied up between VOTE GWYDION82 and H&H.

	Time:2009-09-28 17:58:52 GMT Author:stride Subject:(none) Link:169914#2805178	Parent:#110 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#111
	Er, and I think I just messed up with the voting counters. Maybe. Hates me Mondays. unvote gwydion82 unvote hungryandhollow vote hungryandhollow

	Time:2009-09-28 18:06:59 GMT Author:millershollow Subject:(none) Link:169914#2805434	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #2 #4 #5 #8 #9 #12 #17 #20 #30 #34 #35 #46 #49 #54 #66 #71 #72 #73 #77 #83 #87 #88 #90 #91 #94 #95 #99 #100 #101 #105 Children:(none)	#112
	POST CLOSED

Vote History

logophylia1	vote	rustymaggot	2009-09-25 19:54:05 GMT	#5
snoopyh42	vote	stride	2009-09-25 20:17:57 GMT	#12
ragnarok_now	vote	rustymaggot	2009-09-25 20:46:39 GMT	#17
gwydion82	vote	rustymaggot	2009-09-25 21:38:20 GMT	#19
dragonattack	vote	slojae	2009-09-26 07:27:24 GMT	#45
slojae	vote	dragonattack	2009-09-26 08:51:04 GMT	#54
gwydion82	unvote	rustymaggot	2009-09-26 11:03:13 GMT	#55
gwydion82	vote	stride	2009-09-26 11:06:27 GMT	#56
smurfetts_lamb	vote	stride	2009-09-26 18:01:14 GMT	#59
smurfetts_lamb	unvote	stride	2009-09-26 18:45:05 GMT	#60
rustymaggot	vote	gwydion82	2009-09-27 04:42:03 GMT	#65
slojae	unvote	dragonattack	2009-09-27 07:34:17 GMT	#66
slojae	vote	gwydion82	2009-09-27 08:05:11 GMT	#68
smurfetts_lamb	vote	abstain	2009-09-27 17:12:10 GMT	#70
snoopyh42	unvote	stride	2009-09-27 18:26:10 GMT	#73
snoopyh42	vote	abstain	2009-09-27 18:26:10 GMT	#73
gwydion82	vote	stride	2009-09-28 01:54:53 GMT	#77
logophylia1	unvote	rustymaggot	2009-09-28 02:27:18 GMT	#78
logophylia1	vote	abstain	2009-09-28 02:27:18 GMT	#78
hungryandhollow	vote	gwydion82	2009-09-28 04:55:19 GMT	#87
smurfetts_lamb	vote	hungryandhollow	2009-09-28 05:18:56 GMT	#88
evilben	vote	gwydion82	2009-09-28 05:54:50 GMT	#90
faymar	vote	slojae	2009-09-28 09:51:27 GMT	#93
snoopyh42	vote	hungryandhollow	2009-09-28 15:02:30 GMT	#94
gnatdbug	vote	stride	2009-09-28 15:13:48 GMT	#95
rustymaggot	unvote	gwydion82	2009-09-28 17:43:19 GMT	#106
rustymaggot	vote	stride	2009-09-28 17:43:19 GMT	#106
stride	vote	hungryandhollow	2009-09-28 17:46:08 GMT	#107
rustymaggot	unvote	stride	2009-09-28 17:56:04 GMT	#109
rustymaggot	vote	gwydion82	2009-09-28 17:56:04 GMT	#109
stride	vote	gwydion82	2009-09-28 17:57:42 GMT	#110
stride	unvote	gwydion82	2009-09-28 17:58:52 GMT	#111
stride	vote	hungryandhollow	2009-09-28 17:58:52 GMT	#111
stride	unvote	hungryandhollow	2009-09-28 17:58:52 GMT	#111

Vote Summary

4 against	gwydion82	:	evilben rustymaggot slojae hungryandhollow
3 against	hungryandhollow	:	stride smurfetts_lamb snoopyh42
2 against	slojae	:	faymar dragonattack
2 against	stride	:	gwydion82 gnatdbug
1 against	abstain	:	logophylia1
1 against	rustymaggot	:	ragnarok_now
Posted but no vote		:	lorriet millershollow

Posting Statistics

posts by	rustymaggot	:	(17)	#31 #32 #33 #35 #36 #38 #39 #42 #61 #64 #65 #82 #101 #102 #106 #108 #109
posts by	dragonattack	:	(13)	#2 #11 #18 #21 #22 #25 #26 #27 #45 #50 #62 #74 #89
posts by	logophylia1	:	(13)	#5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #13 #78 #79 #83 #84 #86 #105
posts by	slojae	:	(12)	#44 #46 #47 #48 #49 #51 #52 #53 #54 #66 #67 #68
posts by	gwydion82	:	(11)	#19 #28 #55 #56 #75 #76 #77 #96 #97 #98 #100
posts by	smurfetts_lamb	:	(11)	#41 #58 #59 #60 #63 #70 #71 #72 #81 #85 #88
posts by	stride	:	(6)	#99 #103 #104 #107 #110 #111
posts by	hungryandhollow	:	(5)	#24 #29 #43 #80 #87
posts by	evilben	:	(5)	#30 #37 #40 #57 #90
posts by	faymar	:	(5)	#14 #15 #91 #92 #93
posts by	snoopyh42	:	(5)	#12 #16 #69 #73 #94
posts by	lorriet	:	(3)	#4 #20 #23
posts by	millershollow	:	(3)	#1 #3 #112
posts by	gnatdbug	:	(2)	#34 #95
posts by	ragnarok_now	:	(1)	#17

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