millershollow - Day 4

Link:144077 Sat Jan 23 00:17:48 2010

The clouds were thick the next morning. The village bell tolled mournfully in the pale light as the villagers one by one wandered into the center of town. [info]rustymaggot still hung by the rafters in the middle of the building. [info]blackbeardin comments, "You think someone should cut him down?"

As they looked around the room at the tired and weary faces of each other, [info]lorriet burst into the room, "It's [info]giantlaser! They ate him last night!"

"Also, where's [info]makellan?" asked [info]stride.

"There! He's being sequestered!" shouted out [info]cambler. And sure enough, [info]makellan was being led away in handcuffs.

SUMMARY: [info]giantlaser the VILLAGER is DEAD!

SUMMARY: [info]makellan is SEQUESTERED!
Time:2007-07-19 18:47:46 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
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 #1
well I'm stumped.


Time:2007-07-19 18:52:21 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
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#2
My quick vote yesterday was based on the fact that [info]rustymaggot voted for [info]evilben so quickly, I thought there was a chance that it was a quiet sign of SEERhood. I wanted to see if my quick agreeing vote would elicit any other clues.

Clearly I was wrong.

I thought I'd explain my logic before being thought suspicious.


Time:2007-07-19 18:54:15 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
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#3
why [info]giantlaser? he's barely said anything. wtf @ wolf killings this game.


Time:2007-07-19 18:58:02 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
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#4
Hm, [info]giantlaser suspected [info]hungryandhollow, [info]rustymaggot and [info]makellan. Maybe the wolves thought he was a seer, because he got one (or maybe even two) right?


Time:2007-07-19 18:58:36 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
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 #5
Totally agree with you on the wtf. Just about everyone who was a seriously suspicious person has been eaten, lynched, or given a Sicilian neck-tiel; you'd think the wolves would want those people around to distract them.


Time:2007-07-19 19:01:38 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
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 #6
i'm not a wolf, [info]rustymaggot wasn't a wolf, and [info]makellan is sequestered for the day. besides, that would seem a little ham-handed of the wolves, don't you think?


Time:2007-07-19 19:01:44 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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 #7
Well, [info]Makellan has immunity today. I'm not really convinced about [info]Hungryandhollow. It could go either way. Whoever is the magistrate, at some point later tell me what you thought was the benefit of sequestering the most likely person to put forward today...


Time:2007-07-19 19:03:46 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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#8
Hell, I'll put myself out on the line.

VOTE [info]EVILBEN

Almost everyone who's died thus far has pointed at him, and been a villager. It'd be rediculous to assume the wolves are killing people off to frame him, but I think I want to see if there's any credence there.


Time:2007-07-19 19:07:58 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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 #9
That's worded poorly. Let me try again: I think that we have a few people (the dead villagers) who we know to not be trying to deceive us. Rusty's methods were very much against the spirit of the village, but maybe his hunches are right?

This is of course not a final vote for the day, by any stretch. But it's as good a place to start as any, I think...


Time:2007-07-19 19:14:58 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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#10
If he'd been the seer, he'd have stood up and told us what he knew before dying. Unless he was just being really surly by the end... Even though it wouldn't have been helpful, a few safe people in the village would have been a blessing.


Time:2007-07-19 19:19:25 GMT
Author:[info]ragnarok_now
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#11
Man, it was painful watching that train wreck yesterday guys.

That said, I think we have a decent amount of information, and it's time we start lynching the actual wolves.

vote [info]hungryandhollow

Because I'm pretty sure he is one of the vocal wolves, and when he's gone another will have to step up.

Wolves rarely start a dogpile, they merely add to it. The second and third person to jump on were H&H and CC.


Time:2007-07-19 19:20:11 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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#12
One other thing. I'd like to open up a vote on whether or not we want to have a sherriff again. At this point, we've hit a place where anyone who could kill of their own volition is gone, except the werewolves. Nomination would be tricky, but that's a hurdle to be taken after people take stock of this idea. But I think that the power of the vote is the only thing we've got to defend us against the werewolves, and that we can find someone equitable to take the position. Me, I won't accept nominations, should people even like my logic at all. But I'm sure we could find someone...


Time:2007-07-19 19:22:51 GMT
Author:[info]stride
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#13
Current status:

[info]baronlaw
[info]blackbeardin
[info]cambler
[info]chessiekitty
[info]cuddlycthulhu
[info]daedalus4096
[info]darkjuan
[info]devil_engine
[info]dragonattack
[info]evilben
[info]flipperchaz
[info]gorillashaman
[info]hungryandhollow
[info]lorriet
[info]makellan - Locked up
[info]ragnarok_now
[info]stride

DEAD
[info]rustymaggot the VILLAGER
[info]slojae the VILLAGER
[info]sonicbunny the VILLAGER
[info]maniakes the WITCH
[info]myshanter the SERIAL KILLER
[info]giantlaser the VILLAGER
[info]gnatdbug the VILLAGER
[info]amphitrite27 the HUNTER

Still left:
4 Wolves
1 Magistrate
1 Seer
1 Wizard
1 [info]Nader (they are revealed on death I assume)
(?) Afflicted
8 villagers (- 1 for afflicted, maybe)



Time:2007-07-19 19:24:37 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
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 #14
I'm not a wolf. And you can't blame me for my willingness to lynch [info]Rustymaggot. Hell, you'd have to lynch the whole village for that one.


Time:2007-07-19 19:25:43 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
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#15
without anyone we're sure is a villager around yet, it's too risky. And with no witch, I'm guessing the sheriff gets eaten on his/her first night.


Time:2007-07-19 19:29:37 GMT
Author:[info]stride
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#16
Same reason why the SEER shouldn't come out. This is where the bodyguard would have come in very handy.


Time:2007-07-19 19:29:42 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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 #17
Well, I suppose that's true. But it might be worth it. It'd be more information. It's hard to get people to willing take a little extra power in exchange for wearing a target. But there are plenty of mind games where it can work out. That's what I find most fascinating about this game. Every step of logic can always be countered with "But what if they expected that..." Eventually, we have to take risks, or the wolves will simply out-think us, because they have more information to start with. In disagreement with Rusty, I'm of the opinion that everyone here playing is intelligent. And while I'll agree that makes the wolves dangerous, if we get our act together, we can start working towards a little control. We need to find the first wolf. until then, it's all just straws...


Time:2007-07-19 19:36:25 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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#18
I don't think that a sheriff has the same amount of kill-quotient as the seer. The Sheriff, while powerful, is replaceable. If the first one gets eaten, we get another. We still have that extra vote to kick around. A villager is getting eaten regardless. If we just raise one up a little higher, the wolves may eat them, and we simply do it again. Or, the wolves won't, to make them look suspicious. Or they won't, because we've chosen a wolf. I'm not suggesting it'd be a happy place to sit, but I'm suggesting a sheriff might be a nice advantage. And it could always be voted away later.


Time:2007-07-19 19:40:03 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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 #19
I dunno, it was just a thought. I got more sleep last night than I usually do, so I'm a little energetic today. Don't mind me. I'm just excited. (and still jobless... need to work on that more... blast all this time...)


Time:2007-07-19 19:41:09 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
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#20
but when Sheriff #1 gets eaten, who do we give the Sheriff too next? We'd quickly run out of certified villagers.


Time:2007-07-19 19:44:45 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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#21
We don't have certified villagers to begin with. We just have hunches. I wouldn't want the Seer to out themselves. They're really the only thing between the Wolves and us. We can refine who we think is trustworthy... and if we don't end up with anyone we can all agree on, we don't need to keep it. This isn't about a crazy plot to invoke ties always ::grin:: This is about offering up a tool that can be used if it's needed, or discarded if it becomes unnecessary. If people don't like it, it dies here. And I'm not much worse off for having suggested it. Unless I go the way of Rusty... but I'd rather live, thanks...


Time:2007-07-19 19:45:00 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
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 #22
First off, let me just say that I'm not a wolf. Squamous, yes, loathsome, oh yeah, but totally a villager.

Secondly, I will admit, I was the third person to jump on him. My reasons that he was trying, multiple times, to get a tie and I didn't agree with his reasoning behind it.


Time:2007-07-19 19:45:06 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
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Link:144077#2138829

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 #23
I'd have to agree- I, as sheriff was quite easliy led by the wolves. So smart wolves can use the sheriff to their advantage, then off him/her if they become problematic.


Time:2007-07-19 19:46:44 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
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 #24
Um... now what? Votes regarding [info]giantlaser were what started my senses tingling- with him a villager I'm tingless. Which sucks- they were kind of fun.


Time:2007-07-19 19:48:07 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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#25
Ok. Apparently my lack of experience and my personal bias (I played an amazingly fun game as Sheriff at PolyCon25) are showing through, so I'll take the call for a vote off the table. If someone else thinks it's a good idea, you can be the ones to put it back. But for now, I'll just go vibrate in the corner, and poke buttons on the laptop.


Time:2007-07-19 19:48:43 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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#26
ack, meant that to be a top level post. Must be more careful...


Time:2007-07-19 19:48:58 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
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#27
I think a second vote for the villagers isn't quite necessary yet - we still outnumber the baddies by like, 13 to 5 or so - and too easy to elect a wolf and give them plenty of power in the endgame.


Time:2007-07-19 19:50:46 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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 #28
Already took the vote idea off the table. I thought it was a good idea. No need to beat a dead horse :D


Time:2007-07-19 19:54:37 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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#29
Just for clarity's sake. Vote for sherriff has been taken off table. Yay toplevel posting. And the inability to delete mistakes :D Yay sugar-rushes, also. Orange juice is tasty...


Time:2007-07-19 20:00:10 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
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 #30
Oh, and as a side note: I'm going to leave the computer for a while, to go paint my room. i figure this is a better use of all of this energy than sitting here and being totally overly-verbose... I'll be back, and I think I'll apologize already for my exuberance today. Have fun all :D


Time:2007-07-19 20:09:11 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
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 #31
I've said it the last two turns and I'll say it again here:

*fingers corssed*

Vote [info]Hungryandhollow

If this doesn't get one I don't know what will.


Time:2007-07-19 20:14:29 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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 #32
It'd be rediculous to assume the wolves are killing people off to frame him

You say that because you're new. That happens all the time.


Time:2007-07-19 20:22:23 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
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#33
H&H doesn't seem to be acting himself this time around.

Similarly, neither does [info]gorillashaman. He started out posting like his normal self, but not yesterday.

I still don't trust daedalus.

I'm going back and rereading the last three day's posts. Maybe something will solidify.



Time:2007-07-19 20:24:44 GMT
Author:[info]stride
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 #34
No worries. The #1 difference about the two games is anything you type will be copy & pasted and used against you. The #2 difference is time in that you have time to change your gut reaction, which tends to give people plenty of chances to sway the vote.


Time:2007-07-19 20:27:08 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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 #35
Traditionally, a SEER up on the chopping block will eventually come out and reveal. The general pattern is to plead like there's no tomorrow when the tide against them becomes great. Sometimes they'll reveal in desperation, hoping that the witch will save them (of course we lost ours, so that doesn't apply). At the very least they should reveal in the last few minutes, to get their info out.

[info]Rustymaggot came off as more arrogant and logically challenged than pleading.


Time:2007-07-19 20:28:55 GMT
Author:[info]stride
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 #36
It was more of the comment that since we lost the witch, we lost a key ability to save the seer.


Time:2007-07-19 20:31:08 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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#37
I'm idealess. The only person I suspect is [info]makellan, and he's in prison.

Now that I see [info]Cambler's reasoning, I can't hold too much of a grudge.

No one else has triggered my MAP rule sensors, so I can't use that.

I'm thinking [info]dragonattack because he voted for me, but at this point I should really look for a better reason to vote someone.


Time:2007-07-19 20:31:56 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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 #38
It's still a day or two early for the SEER to come out.


Time:2007-07-19 20:34:46 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
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 #39
To be honest [info]Makellan was my primary target this round too. But with the sequestering I had to revert to my previous turns pick, [info]Hungryandhollow.


Time:2007-07-19 20:46:13 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
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#40
vote [info]baronlaw

with [info]evilben, daedalus and [info]gorillashaman as runner-ups (for now, check back soon, I'm sure I'll change my mind)


Time:2007-07-19 20:47:30 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
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#41
Interesting. He's not even been on my radar. Care to share your reasoning?


Time:2007-07-19 20:47:36 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
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#42
Well I certainly hope so!

Mind explaining why or is it just a "hunch"?


Time:2007-07-19 20:56:37 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
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 #43
Sorry- just a hunch. [info]Giantlaser's being wolf food really, I mean really shook up what I thinking. Now I have to start over, and rereading posts- he's blipped onto my radar. For now. Though I wish I had something more concrete to base it on.


Time:2007-07-19 20:57:41 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
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 #44
I would if I could- you just popped into my head as I was rereading posts.



Time:2007-07-19 21:02:19 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
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#45
"MAP rule" ???


Time:2007-07-19 21:04:18 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#46
In the past I've been more mathematical. I don't think that works here. I'm trusting my feelings more this time around. And I agree with you.

vote [info]baronlaw

Like I said, no real reason I can explain, just a feeling.


Time:2007-07-19 21:04:22 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
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 #47
Next time, when I say, "Shhhhh!" you'll know I mean it :-)


Time:2007-07-19 21:05:00 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
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#48
vote [info]baronlaw

Someone convince me otherwise.


Time:2007-07-19 21:07:12 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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#49
Most Annoying Player. voting someone lynched so you no longer have to listen to them. Came up with that several games ago.


Time:2007-07-19 21:09:57 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
Subject:Bad random thought.
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#50
What if the Seer was the lover of a Wolf? The village would be FUBAR.


Time:2007-07-19 21:10:25 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
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Link:144077#2148301

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#51
I find this turn of events perplexing.


Time:2007-07-19 21:13:10 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
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Link:144077#2148557

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 #52
Right, thanks.


Time:2007-07-19 21:14:31 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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#53
I'll probly die for this (either by lynch or wolf kill, but [info]EvilBen thinks he sees a dogpile!

[info]Chessiekitty
[info]Gorillashaman
[info]Cambler

They all just jummped on [info]baronlaw real fastlike. I'll forgo voting for now to wait for other thought/discussion.


Time:2007-07-19 21:16:22 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
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Link:144077#2149069

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 #54
I'm actually inclined to agree with you.

After thinking about yesterday I'm hesitating on voting to see if I could find any particularly interesting patterns. That certainly seems to be one.


Time:2007-07-19 21:17:57 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
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 #55
Me too, sounds like I am the designated victim this round scapegoat.

I should start composing my dying wish for you all to ignore. ;)

Since no logic is being used I find it hard to defend myself other then to say I have not voted for any of the people you have so far lynched, who by the way have all been villagers, like myself. All I can do is stand behind my voting record so far.


Time:2007-07-19 21:26:57 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2149581

Parent:#53
Siblings:#54 #61 #62
Children:(none)
 #56
I never thought I'd say this, but thanks [info]Evilben. ;)

I can really see no reason or logic behind this sudden attack either.

unvote [info]hungryandhollow

Holding my vote till I figure which one of the three is most worthy or most likely to get lynched!


Time:2007-07-19 21:29:21 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2149837

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #8 #11 #12 #13 #24 #29 #33 #37 #40 #50 #53 #58 #69 #83 #85 #93 #96 #97 #104 #106 #109 #111 #118 #120 #123 #125 #128 #135
Children:#67
#57
Apparently I am the designated victim/scapegoat this round. [info]Chessiekitty has pointed her claw and the rest of the wolves are jumping on board. Well and no doubt an innocent villager or two will get sucked in.

I should start composing my dying wish for you all to ignore. ;)

Since no logic is being used I find it hard to defend myself other then to say I have not voted for any of the people you have so far lynched, who by the way have all been villagers like myself. All I can do is stand behind my voting record so far.


Time:2007-07-19 21:31:13 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2150093

Parent:(none)
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Children:#59
#58
Grr @ my crappy connection that keeps making me lose my comments.

Ok, I agree, with the exception of Chessie. I suspected her early on, but something happened in the voting that changed my mind. I'll need to go back and look at it, though.

The speed with which the other two jumped on the bandwagon is suspicious. I'd figure at least one of them to be a furry, fanged beastie.


Time:2007-07-19 21:33:20 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2150349

Parent:#58
Siblings:(none)
Children:#68
#59
This was supposed to be in response to [info]evilben's suggestion about Chessie, [info]gorillashaman and [info]cambler.

Stupid toobs.


Time:2007-07-19 21:33:49 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2150605

Parent:#46
Siblings:#48 #64
Children:#63 #86
#60
Don't think mathematics is working? Trusting your feelings? Who are you, and what have you done with our resident statistician?

Vote [info]Gorillashaman

Can pod people be wolves, too?


Time:2007-07-19 21:33:59 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2150861

Parent:#53
Siblings:#54 #56 #62
Children:#98 #113
#61
Because, you know, it makes perfect sense for three wolves to gang up on someone, one after the other in rapid succession like that, and wouldn't look suspicious at all.

Only three completely idiotic wolves would ever vote like that during a lynching.


Time:2007-07-19 21:38:28 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2151117

Parent:#53
Siblings:#54 #56 #61
Children:#71 #75
#62
Well, that's enough to convince me a dead person's hunch isn't worth sticking to. I UNVOTE [info]EVILBEN, and VOTE [info]CHESSIEKITTY. Of the three of them, [info]Cambler simply strikes me as eccentric, [info]gorillashaman I'm just not getting that vibe off, but Chessie has been actively working to sway people's perceptions. I've agreed with her a few times, but that doesn't make it any easier. It's again, not a solid vote, but I'll make the jump.


Time:2007-07-19 21:42:29 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2151373

Parent:#60
Siblings:#86
Children:#70
#63
Now, I'm not going to tell you to not trust your knowledge of people. But I am going to ask you why you think that makes him suspicious, mainly because I haven't played in previous games with him.


Time:2007-07-19 21:42:48 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2151629

Parent:#46
Siblings:#48 #60
Children:(none)
 #64
i'm not going to vote for you (yet, anyway), but THAT'S the most suspicious post i've seen all game :P


Time:2007-07-19 21:43:50 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2151885

Parent:#33
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #65
you mean today i'm not acting like myself, or this game in general? Either way, how so?


Time:2007-07-19 21:44:36 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:Re: Bad random thought.
Link:144077#2152141

Parent:#50
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #66
lawlerz, that would suck so bad.


Time:2007-07-19 21:46:10 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2152397

Parent:#57
Siblings:(none)
Children:#76
#67
Now you know how it feels, Mr. Claim Game :P

Srsly tho, aside from your constant accusations of me I have no reason to think you're a wolf, so I'll hold off until someone makes a good argument.


Time:2007-07-19 21:47:24 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2152653

Parent:#59
Siblings:(none)
Children:#72
#68
So of those three do you have a hunch?

I am thinking the Kitty is most wolf like, pointy ears, furry bodies, tail, claws, fangs....

(joke)


Time:2007-07-19 21:49:11 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2152909

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #8 #11 #12 #13 #24 #29 #33 #37 #40 #50 #53 #57 #58 #83 #85 #93 #96 #97 #104 #106 #109 #111 #118 #120 #123 #125 #128 #135
Children:#73 #80 #88
#69
I find it very interesting that two people jumped so quickly when I voted for [info]baronlaw. I mean, wow. Where were they when I voted Daedalus out of the blue, with no reason? Where was Daedalus, even.

Are they wolves jumping on the bandwagon with the goal to get me lynched when [info]baronlaw turns out to be a villager (if he's lynched this round?). That seems almost too simple from seasoned, and I might add intelligent players. Are they desperately trying to get votes off of H&H, a fellow wolf?

unvote [info]baronlaw

This will probably be seen as an attempt to draw suspicion off of me as the instigator of a "dogpile". It's not. But don't you think we got some tasty tidbits from my vote?

vote hungry&hollow


Time:2007-07-19 21:51:19 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2153165

Parent:#63
Siblings:(none)
Children:#74
#70
From the games that I can remember playing with him, [info]Gorillashaman doesn't work on feelings. Ever. No, not even then.

He compiles in-depth voting histories across all days. He then takes that data and constructs complex statistical analyses, which he has occasionally (i.e. when he's been a wolf) "tweaked" in order to encourage voting for specific individuals. I believe he was even the one to come up with the claim game, and then created a utility to monitor people's claims to better identify the seer.

In other words, I think the robot we know and love has been killed and replaced by an alien pod-person/werewolf hybrid on a mission to exterminate humanity.


Time:2007-07-19 21:51:34 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2153421

Parent:#62
Siblings:#75
Children:(none)
 #71
::blink:: I think I might have been hasty in this. I'm going to stick with my gut for the moment, but am concerned I may have made the wrong call...


Time:2007-07-19 21:51:44 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2153677

Parent:#68
Siblings:(none)
Children:#81
#72
My, what a big mouth I have!


Time:2007-07-19 21:52:47 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2153933

Parent:#69
Siblings:#80 #88
Children:#77
#73
I think they're just used to you voting for me with no real evidence. I know I am. :)

I concede, however, that it is curious.


Time:2007-07-19 21:53:26 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2154189

Parent:#70
Siblings:(none)
Children:#79
#74
Well, I can understand that, but this approach may not have worked in the past. From what I can see, he's internally consistant this game. I'm more worried about you, and your taunting of those who you're voting for...


Time:2007-07-19 21:55:19 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2154445

Parent:#62
Siblings:#71
Children:#78
#75
I don't think I have, as far as voting goes. I made long posts regarding the serial killer and the tie vote stupidity, but as far as voting goes, I've been doing so on gut reaction, which I've listed as the reason each time. Gut reaction is a hard sell in this game.



Time:2007-07-19 21:55:39 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2154701

Parent:#67
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #76
At least I am consistent, you'll be happy to know I have "unvoted" you. So even if I die this round and then I am proven a villager, my dying "wish" won't be aimed your way. ;)

Vote [info]Chessiekitty

I don't know why she sank her claws in me, but a villagers got to defend himself.


Time:2007-07-19 21:57:06 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2154957

Parent:#73
Siblings:(none)
Children:#82
#77
You make such a tricksy wolfie. :)


Time:2007-07-19 21:57:16 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2155213

Parent:#75
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #78
Yeah, I've noticed. I think I was attributing more to you than you said, looking back. But, for the moment, this is where MY gut is telling me to be. Though I'm getting a weird vibe off Daedelus, too...


Time:2007-07-19 21:57:40 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2155469

Parent:#74
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #79
Actually, his methods have historically worked very well for whichever side he happens to be on at the time. The problem I tend to have with them is that it makes the whole thing an exercise in number-crunching as opposed to, you know, a game. I've always thought that the paranoia and random finger-pointing is what makes the game fun.

As for the taunting... Well, I just finished my thesis two days ago and am *this* close to *finally* graduating with my Master's degree. I think the giddiness may be spilling over into my comments. :)


Time:2007-07-19 21:58:49 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2155725

Parent:#69
Siblings:#73 #88
Children:#90
#80
I'm curious then, why you didn't vote for one of the two suspicious folks who jumped on the bandwagon, and instead voted for H&H...

Curious, indeed.


Time:2007-07-19 21:59:30 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2155981

Parent:#72
Siblings:(none)
Children:#84
#81
And such big eyes to find this comment so fast. ;)


Time:2007-07-19 22:00:30 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2156237

Parent:#77
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #82
Yeah, I did. :) Came *so* close to a lovers' win...

But no, I'm no furball this time. Nice try, wolf! :P


Time:2007-07-19 22:01:20 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2156493

Parent:(none)
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Children:#87
#83
I really don't see a shred of evidence against me (unless you count [info]Baronlaw's "Claim Game" accusation). If anyone has logical reasons to vote for me, please post them so I can rebut them. I am not a wolf, and all this jumping from dogpile victim to dogpile victim is tiresome.


Time:2007-07-19 22:01:36 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2156749

Parent:#81
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #84
Nope- merely incredibly bored at work.


Time:2007-07-19 22:02:46 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2157005

Parent:(none)
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Children:#92
#85
I am completely confused, so I was being used as a stalking horse to see what other people would do?

unvote [info]chessiekitty

Someone please give me a reasonable, logical target to vote for?


Time:2007-07-19 22:03:02 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2157261

Parent:#60
Siblings:#63
Children:(none)
 #86
*sigh*

I think you misread my post. The complex relational algebra doesn't work. The simple stuff still does, but it's really not all that useful.

For example...

Someone has put me and two others on the "suspicious" list because we randomly voted the same way.

In a field of 17 players, 4 of which are wolves, there are 17C3=680 ways too choose three of them. Of those 680 ways, 13C3=286 ways will NOT involve any wolves.

Which means that right now, if you take any random group of three, there is a 286/680 == 42% chance that NONE of them are wolves. This corresponds to a whopping 58% chance that one of the three of us is a wolf.

Yippeee. Whoopdie doo. Better than even chance one of us is a wolf! Quick, everybody vote to lynch one of us!

The problem is that that's true regardless of which three you choose! Knowing those numbers is useless. In the past I tried to come up with complex relational algebra claims to pull some signal out of that kind of noise, and I never got differences of more than a few percent.

And worse, when I tried to show my ideas to people I get accused of being a wolf. Now I go the other way, and I get accused of being a wolf. Like I said earlier, I can't seem to win.


Time:2007-07-19 22:04:21 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2157517

Parent:#83
Siblings:(none)
Children:#95
#87
You think you were picked on, I was just used as wolf bait!


Time:2007-07-19 22:05:52 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2157773

Parent:#69
Siblings:#73 #80
Children:#89
#88
clarity once more. Collector missed it cause of the &


Time:2007-07-19 22:13:35 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2158029

Parent:#88
Siblings:(none)
Children:#91 #99
#89
Egads. What a horrific edge case. I'd pull my hair out trying to get the spell checker to acknowldege that.


Time:2007-07-19 22:13:48 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2158285

Parent:#80
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #90
Because it seems too obvious? I'm thinking of changing again- I have nothing concrete to go on.



Time:2007-07-19 22:14:30 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2158541

Parent:#89
Siblings:#99
Children:(none)
 #91
Not calling for you to fix it. Asking her to repost. You're doing a fantastic job with the site. Thanks muchly :D


Time:2007-07-19 22:15:50 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2158797

Parent:#85
Siblings:(none)
Children:#94
#92
No comment. *whistles innocently*


Time:2007-07-19 22:17:21 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2159053

Parent:(none)
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Children:(none)
 #93
I am leaving to pick up a friend from the airport. I will try my darndest to check in and re-asses my vote before the lynching.

Have fun all! Glad I stirred things up a bit, even if I didn't mean to!


Time:2007-07-19 22:21:10 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2159565

Parent:#92
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #94
Well at least you released the bait before it got ate. ;)


Time:2007-07-19 22:47:16 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2160077

Parent:#87
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #95
LOL, your icon really makes that post a 10/10.


Time:2007-07-19 22:50:50 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2160333

Parent:(none)
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Children:(none)
 #96
i'm so confused. But I'm going to go with [info]Chessiekitty because:

- she's voting for me
- she started a dogpile, then immediately switched votes when attention was drawn to the dogpile
- i have no idea who else to vote for


Time:2007-07-19 22:52:51 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2160589

Parent:(none)
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Children:#108 #112
#97
oops, forgot to say vote [info]chessiekitty

I'm also very suspicious of [info]Cambler's complete change of playstyle, but i really havn't seen much other evidence, so i'll give him benefit of the doubt for now.


Time:2007-07-19 23:33:41 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2161101

Parent:#61
Siblings:#113
Children:(none)
 #98
Right, and we all would assume this, and we know none of you are idiots. this makes a good cover. It's a "wine in front of me" argument, but worth looking at. you'd probly make the same observation from outside.


Time:2007-07-19 23:35:15 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2161357

Parent:#89
Siblings:#91
Children:#100 #101
#99
Is it counting "Unvotes" properly? Currently I should not have a vote against anyone?


Time:2007-07-19 23:49:27 GMT
Author:[info]dragonattack
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2161613

Parent:#99
Siblings:#101
Children:#102
#100
Both chessie and yourself unvoted, but it's not moved your name from the counter, and it seems not to until you vote again. You could fix it by [info]abstaining for the moment.


Time:2007-07-19 23:53:35 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2161869

Parent:#99
Siblings:#100
Children:#103
#101
I've posted about this before, and nobody really got it, and it really doesn't matter much anyway, so I just sort of stopped reminding people and forgot about it.

The vote counter doesn't really look at unvotes at all, except to note that they occurred. In other words, if you do a vote in one post and a vote in a second post without an intervening unvote, that's ok. The vote in the second post is what gets counted.

A minor side effect of all that is if you vote and then unvote but don't vote again or [info]abstain, then your last vote before the unvote is all the counter sees. This usually doesn't have any effect in the final count because everybody is sure to put in a real vote before the end of the day.

If the transient miscount bugs you, just [info]abstain and everything will sort itself out. You can always register a new vote later.

I believe that at this point Joe is aware of the problems with the automated counter and takes them into account, as he did at the end of Day 2 where he voided a vote that came in after the deadline.

I'll poke more at fixing this sometime if it really bothers people.


Time:2007-07-19 23:58:50 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2162125

Parent:#100
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #102
Thanks, got it.


Time:2007-07-19 23:59:45 GMT
Author:[info]baronlaw
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2162381

Parent:#101
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #103
Gotcha, don't bother fixing it, just didn't understand the logic chain.

Vote [info]abstain


Time:2007-07-20 00:58:40 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2162637

Parent:(none)
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Children:#105
#104
I'll VOTE [info]chessiekitty for now. may change later, depending on arguements.

One thing, if I get eaten tonight, it would be my guess I correctly identified at least one wolf in my "dogpile" observation.


Time:2007-07-20 01:03:14 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2162893

Parent:#104
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #105
I have a #2 choice, so I'll change if you or another can convince me of your innocence, [info]Chessiekitty.


Time:2007-07-20 01:53:11 GMT
Author:[info]darkjuan
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2163149

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #8 #11 #12 #13 #24 #29 #33 #37 #40 #50 #53 #57 #58 #69 #83 #85 #93 #96 #97 #104 #109 #111 #118 #120 #123 #125 #128 #135
Children:#107
#106
My mind is kind of in a jumble right now. I was thinking that because of the way he was acting that may have been one of the wolfies. I guess I was wrong, but I'm still learning this game.

Tonight I think I'll VOTE [info]chessiekitty. Maybe that icon is telling us something...


Time:2007-07-20 01:54:41 GMT
Author:[info]darkjuan
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2163405

Parent:#106
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #107
damn it...
VOTE cheesiekitty


Time:2007-07-20 03:45:27 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2163661

Parent:#97
Siblings:#112
Children:#110
#108
Ok- as someone who has both played many times before, and played with me many times before, you should know that I know better than that. I made a vote, based on gut feeling, like I did with Daedalus, but today instead of being ignored, a couple of people followed me. That's all. I switched because I think my vote brought out some interesting comments by several people.

And I have stated that I've been suspicious of you in past posts.


Time:2007-07-20 03:52:07 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
Subject:For what it's worth
Link:144077#2163917

Parent:(none)
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Children:#117 #121
#109
I'm a villager! I am not a wolf or the sorcerer!

I am going to Sedona tomorrow- so I'm not sure if I'll be able to post again before you lynch me.

I am a villager. I'm skipping the whole "wine in front of me thing", it's been done.

Here is my list of wolfy suspects as of now (in no particular order):

[info]Lorriet
[info]Evilben
H&H
Dadealus
[info]Gorillashaman
[info]Cambler

I'm sure at least two are wolves. But I can't be sure of which. If I am lynched tomorrow- I wish all the best for the town, and for god's sake- HANG A WOLF TOMORROW!


Time:2007-07-20 04:02:21 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2164173

Parent:#108
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #110
your suspicion of me makes me suspicious of you :P well, the statement that i wasn't playing like myself does, anyway, especially with no follow-up details. But frankly, I'm stumped, and that's the best I have to go on right now.


Time:2007-07-20 04:11:06 GMT
Author:[info]devil_engine
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2164429

Parent:(none)
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Children:(none)
 #111
There's entirely too much to consider at this point and not enough really hard evidence to point a finger at anyone.

That said VOTE I [info]ABSTAIN


Time:2007-07-20 04:29:28 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2164685

Parent:#97
Siblings:#108
Children:#115 #116
#112
What change of playstyle?

This game is quite unique in all that I've played in that two of the three good specials got nuked pretty quickly, and we're still hunting for all four wolves. At this point, I'm not feeling that great being a villager right now.

And even if the seer scores a hit, s/he can only get one wolf taken out before dying.

With pretty-much NO CLUE who might be a wolf, I'm honestly shooting in the dark, so to speak.


Time:2007-07-20 04:47:28 GMT
Author:[info]flipperchaz
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2164941

Parent:#61
Siblings:#98
Children:#114
#113
Or could it be a new legend: The gorillashamen Gambit? Hmmm, I could see you trying that. Haven't seen anything else really suspicious, so what the hell... vote gorillashamen.


Time:2007-07-20 04:56:03 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2165197

Parent:#113
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #114
You really should aim that vote somewhere else, it's dangerous. Here, if it makes you happy, I'll prove we can't all three be wolves.

unvote [info]baronlaw
vote [info]chessiekitty


Time:2007-07-20 05:00:38 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2165453

Parent:#112
Siblings:#116
Children:(none)
 #115
That's not necessarily true.

CASE 1:

SEER gets lynched. Hopefully a SEER in this position will be smart enough to reveal everything they've seen in the moments before their death (i.e. reveal by 10:50 AM you fool!)

CASE 2:

SEER gets eaten. Hopefully a SEER in this position has left some sort of clues behind. If not we're toast.


Time:2007-07-20 05:09:51 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2165709

Parent:#112
Siblings:#115
Children:(none)
 #116
wtf is wrong with me... I meant [info]gorillashaman's change of playstyle. And hopefully by now the seer has identified a wolf already, meaning by the time they come out they'll know multiple wolves, and at the very least can clear some villagers for us.


Time:2007-07-20 06:03:49 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:Re: For what it's worth
Link:144077#2165965

Parent:#109
Siblings:#121
Children:(none)
 #117
Hey, I'm the one that said I didn't think you were necessarily a wolf. But you even admitted that some of the choices you've made this game could be perceived as suspicious, and I still haven't voted.


Time:2007-07-20 06:14:43 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2166477

Parent:(none)
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Children:#119
#118
I still don't think Chessie is a wolf, though she's made some strange votes. I still think that either [info]gorillashaman or [info]cambler could be a wolf, but that could be coincidence.

I still think [info]hungryandhollow is suspicious. For now, vote [info]hungryandhollow. I'll check back and reread in the morning to see if I agree with my own vote. :P


Time:2007-07-20 06:15:13 GMT
Author:[info]lorriet
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2166733

Parent:#118
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #119
for clarification: vote [info]hungryandhollow


Time:2007-07-20 09:00:09 GMT
Author:[info]blackbeardin
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2166989

Parent:(none)
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Children:(none)
 #120
Just to be sure I don't get killed for inactivity, I [info]abstain.


Time:2007-07-20 13:54:33 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:Re: For what it's worth
Link:144077#2167501

Parent:#109
Siblings:#117
Children:#122 #124 #126
#121
At this point, given 17 players, 4 wolves, and the assumption that you are not a wolf.

If you were to choose 6 people at random...

1-(12C6/16C6) = 1-924/8008 = 88%
I'm 88% certain at least one of those would be a wolf.

12C5*4C1/16C6 = 792*4/8008 = 39%
I'm 39% certain EXACTLY one of those would be a wolf.

12C4*4C2/16C6 = 495*6/8008 = 37%
I'm 37% certain EXACTLY two of those would be a wolf.

What makes your guesses any better than pure chance?


Time:2007-07-20 15:02:24 GMT
Author:[info]darkjuan
Subject:Re: For what it's worth
Link:144077#2167757

Parent:#121
Siblings:#124 #126
Children:(none)
 #122
huh?? :P


Time:2007-07-20 15:22:44 GMT
Author:[info]cuddlycthulhu
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2168013

Parent:(none)
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Children:(none)
 #123
Ok, so that I explain my absence, I'm traveling down to the San Luis Obispo Renaissance Faire and I'll be leaving in about two hours.

I vote [info]abstain and I'd like to [info]abstain tomorrow and Sunday as well. My reasoning for today is that I don't have enough info (though [info]cambler, gorilla, and chessie's dog-pile vote without any true explanation concerns me) and I'd rather not vote until I have something more concrete. Also, if I'm not here to listen to people offering up defense for themselves, because I wouldn't be able to change my vote, I'm not going to vote for them.

*raises a glass* Here's to hoping I don't wake up dead.

Oh, and BTW, if I do, Cthulhu will come in the night and do horrible things to your sleeping body.


Time:2007-07-20 15:42:03 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:Re: For what it's worth
Link:144077#2168269

Parent:#121
Siblings:#122 #126
Children:(none)
 #124
Now there's the [info]Gorillashaman we know and can't understand :P


Time:2007-07-20 17:02:27 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2169037

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #3 #4 #8 #11 #12 #13 #24 #29 #33 #37 #40 #50 #53 #57 #58 #69 #83 #85 #93 #96 #97 #104 #106 #109 #111 #118 #120 #123 #128 #135
Children:(none)
 #125
I still find myself uncharacteristically stumped.

I solicit any avenues for thought on this one.


Time:2007-07-20 17:16:08 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:Re: For what it's worth
Link:144077#2169293

Parent:#121
Siblings:#122 #124
Children:#127
#126
*sniff* I missed the magic math posts


Time:2007-07-20 17:24:25 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:Re: For what it's worth
Link:144077#2169805

Parent:#126
Siblings:(none)
Children:#132
#127
They're generally useless, and tended to get me lynched.

That and I wind up giving lessons in basic probability.


Time:2007-07-20 17:27:11 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2170061

Parent:(none)
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Children:#129 #130 #131
#128
Is it just me, or everyday in Millers Hollow like Day 1 this time around?

So, with the little info that I have, I vote [info]gorillashaman for not having as many confusing posts as he usually does.


Time:2007-07-20 17:28:24 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2170317

Parent:#128
Siblings:#130 #131
Children:(none)
 #129
Ack. Sorry for the rambling bold again. :\


Time:2007-07-20 17:36:19 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2171597

Parent:#128
Siblings:#129 #131
Children:#134
#130
With a severe lack of anything to go on, yes, every day is like day 1.

I suspect the wolves are, indeed, running a play of eating mundane choices and, I hate to say, it's working.


Time:2007-07-20 17:37:51 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2172109

Parent:#128
Siblings:#129 #130
Children:#133
#131
What can I say to convince you that that is really not a good idea?


Time:2007-07-20 17:44:25 GMT
Author:[info]cambler
Subject:Re: For what it's worth
Link:144077#2172877

Parent:#127
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #132
No lessons. It's basically probable that math posts will get you lynched ;-)


Time:2007-07-20 17:45:03 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2173133

Parent:#131
Siblings:(none)
Children:#136
#133
Got another choice? Blind me with statistics!


Time:2007-07-20 17:46:56 GMT
Author:[info]hungryandhollow
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2173389

Parent:#130
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #134
Whether it's crafty vets, or just new people who don't know who is traditionally considered dangerous, this strategy is pretty effective - especially with the loss of the Witch and the Hunter keeping specials from coming out.


Time:2007-07-20 17:50:00 GMT
Author:[info]ragnarok_now
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2173645

Parent:(none)
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Children:(none)
 #135
Where is that cricket guy when we need him?

FYI villagers: [info]abstaining actually helps the wolves by lowering momentum and decreasing the voting dynamics. I think if you go back to the older games you'll see that many wolves [info]abstain to avoid drawing attention to themselves.
People often site voting for someone to be suspicious (as I did in my previous post). The fact is everyone is going to vote badly at times (even the wolves). [info]Abstaining however is especially pointless, unless you have something to hide.

On a related note, I hope the seer can leak some information before they are eaten (without resulting in such).


Time:2007-07-20 17:51:08 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:144077#2173901

Parent:#133
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #136
My original vote was for [info]baronlaw. I only switched because someone accused me, [info]cambler, and [info]chessiekitty of being wolves and dogpiling all at once on the poor guy.


Vote History
[info]dragonattackvote[info]evilben2007-07-19 19:03:46 GMT#8
[info]ragnarok_nowvote[info]hungryandhollow2007-07-19 19:19:25 GMT#11
[info]baronlawvote[info]hungryandhollow2007-07-19 20:09:11 GMT#31
[info]chessiekittyvote[info]baronlaw2007-07-19 20:46:13 GMT#40
[info]gorillashamanvote[info]baronlaw2007-07-19 21:04:18 GMT#46
[info]camblervote[info]baronlaw2007-07-19 21:05:00 GMT#48
[info]baronlawunvote[info]hungryandhollow2007-07-19 21:26:57 GMT#56
[info]daedalus4096vote[info]gorillashaman2007-07-19 21:33:49 GMT#60
[info]dragonattackunvote[info]evilben2007-07-19 21:38:28 GMT#62
[info]dragonattackvote[info]chessiekitty2007-07-19 21:38:28 GMT#62
[info]chessiekittyunvote[info]baronlaw2007-07-19 21:49:11 GMT#69
[info]baronlawvote[info]chessiekitty2007-07-19 21:55:39 GMT#76
[info]baronlawunvote[info]chessiekitty2007-07-19 22:02:46 GMT#85
[info]hungryandhollowvote[info]chessiekitty2007-07-19 22:52:51 GMT#97
[info]baronlawvote[info]abstain2007-07-19 23:59:45 GMT#103
[info]evilbenvote[info]chessiekitty2007-07-20 00:58:40 GMT#104
[info]darkjuanvote[info]chessiekitty2007-07-20 01:53:11 GMT#106
[info]darkjuanvote[info]chessiekitty2007-07-20 01:54:41 GMT#107cheesiekitty
[info]devil_enginevote[info]abstain2007-07-20 04:11:06 GMT#111
[info]flipperchazvote[info]gorillashaman2007-07-20 04:47:28 GMT#113gorillashamen
[info]gorillashamanunvote[info]baronlaw2007-07-20 04:56:03 GMT#114
[info]gorillashamanvote[info]chessiekitty2007-07-20 04:56:03 GMT#114
[info]lorrietvote[info]hungryandhollow2007-07-20 06:14:43 GMT#118
[info]lorrietvote[info]hungryandhollow2007-07-20 06:15:13 GMT#119
[info]blackbeardinvote[info]abstain2007-07-20 09:00:09 GMT#120
[info]cuddlycthulhuvote[info]abstain2007-07-20 15:22:44 GMT#123
[info]stridevote[info]gorillashaman2007-07-20 17:27:11 GMT#128
Vote Summary
5 against[info]chessiekitty:[info]evilben [info]darkjuan [info]dragonattack [info]gorillashaman [info]hungryandhollow
4 against[info]abstain:[info]devil_engine [info]baronlaw [info]cuddlycthulhu [info]blackbeardin
3 against[info]gorillashaman:[info]stride [info]daedalus4096 [info]flipperchaz
2 against[info]baronlaw:[info]cambler [info]chessiekitty
2 against[info]hungryandhollow:[info]ragnarok_now [info]lorriet
Posted but no vote:
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