lupusintabula - Day Four

Link:40619 Sat Jan 23 00:16:48 2010

The Church bell tolls again, and you wonder whom has died in the night from the attack of the dread Werewolves. As the Villagers gather in the Square, they gaze around to see whom will not show. Surprisingly, everyone whom went to sleep last night arrives safely!

Summary: No one died in the night.
Time:2006-07-10 19:39:46 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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 #1
[info]Nader for President! [info]Nader for President!


Time:2006-07-10 19:44:29 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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#2
ok, all joking aside, I really am just a villager (or I guess due to [info]gpeefalt's seer status, ralph [info]nader) . . .

now the problem . . . if we don't lynch a werewolf today, we lose . . .

so if you REALLY believe I'm a wolf, fine go ahead vote for me, and doom the village because as much as the rest of you want me to be an evil coniving wolf, I'm not, and lynching me, will only bring the wolves one step closer to a victory tomorrow . . .

now as to who I think is a wolf, who I think you should be voting for, my top two choices would be [info]gorillashaman or [info]blackbeardin . . .

[info]blackbeardin, only because of his high ranks in both mine and [info]gorillashaman's stats . . .

[info]gorillashaman because of all the muckity much stuff he did yesterday, changing his vote back and forth over and over again, posting confusing things . . . it was a little obvious that he would profit from either me or [info]gpeefalt being lynched yesterday . . .

now I'm sure one of the two people I listed above will claim to be a special probably . . . don't believe it . . . at least one of them is a wolf . . . and we NEED to get a wolf today or we lose the game . . .


Time:2006-07-10 19:45:44 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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#3
since most of the time if [info]gorillashaman is alive now, he's almost always been a wolf, I vote [info]gorillashaman


Time:2006-07-10 20:12:58 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#4
Yeah right. Since the dead seer directly implicated you, there's really only one choice. The odds of him hitting the afflicted AND ralph [info]nader are much lower than him hitting the afflicted AND one of the three werewolves.

vote [info]parzanese

Also, if [info]parzanese is a wolf, here's my suspition list:

[info]blackbeardin 64%
[info]the1mouse 48%
[info]gjunell 32%
[info]daedalus4096 24%
[info]evilben 16%
[info]perkyevil 16%

Can anyone figure out who the witch saved last night, and why?


Time:2006-07-10 20:13:57 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
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#5
Well shit. Now the Afflicted is *definitely* active and the other seer is gone to boot. Shows what I know... In any case, he may just be [info]Nader, but I'm not taking any chances.

Vote [info]parzanese


Time:2006-07-10 20:15:54 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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#6
can anyone figure out the last time [info]gorillashaman was alive on day four and WASN'T a WOLF? . . .


Time:2006-07-10 20:17:30 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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 #7
if you're wrong, the village is dead . . . lynch me, minus one villager, someone's eaten tonight, minus another villager . . . that puts it at equal numbers wolves and villagers which equals game over . . .

I'm a villager . . . this vote for me helps dooms the village . . .


Time:2006-07-10 20:18:04 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#8
The witch really should come forward now; there are no potions left, and I'd like to hear the logic behind poisoning [info]amphitrite27. I'd also like to hear who was attacked and saved last night, and why they were saved.


Time:2006-07-10 20:19:12 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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 #9
It's true, if the WITCH was attacked on night one and not the AFFLICTED, it definately changes my logic.


Time:2006-07-10 20:26:42 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
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#10
I disagree. Doing so would only cause more confusion, since there's no way for the real witch to retaliate against impostors now.


Time:2006-07-10 20:27:53 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#11
Did you hear about the guy who brought a bomb onto the plane? Because, you know, what are the odds there'd be TWO bombs on the plane?

Your argument is specious and you know it.


Time:2006-07-10 20:29:06 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#12
I'd rather have a choice between real data and false data than no data at all.


Time:2006-07-10 20:30:19 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
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#13
We do have data: [info]gpeefalt fingered [info]Parzanese. The only question now is whether or not you believe he's [info]Nader. I, for one, do not.


Time:2006-07-10 20:30:28 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#14
If I were a wolf, I'd have known [info]gpeefalt was telling the truth Seems I'd gain more by trying to get the SEER killed than the RALPH [info]NADER.


Time:2006-07-10 20:32:08 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
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 #15
Err, strike that last comment. Mixed up what subject we were talking about. I just don't want the witch debate distracting us from what seems like a clear course of action.


Time:2006-07-10 20:33:06 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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 #16
I'm with you there.

But I'd ALSO like to know who got saved by the witch. I know it doesn't seem important, but when you shove that data in the hopper with all the other stuff, it could make a big difference.


Time:2006-07-10 21:53:59 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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#17
you know you guys give me way more credit than I deserve . . . look at the last time I was a wolf (narc actually) . . . what did I accomplish? I got the devil (k-9 unit) eaten (arrested), my fellow wolf/narc lynched, and myself eaten/arrested . . . let's face it, I made a way better villager than I ever have at wolf . . . where as you now have easily duped the entire village patiently leading everyone astray until their final doom . . .

but you did try and get the seer lynched and even voted for him . . . and then when it was safe to vote for me you did thus making it look like you weren't on the anti-[info]gpeefalt bandwagon . . .

besides if past wolves actions are any sign, apparently according to several players getting rid of me is usually as much of a win as getting rid of a seer . . .


Time:2006-07-10 21:55:22 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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#18
think long and hard on this . . . what wolfy action have I performed? . . . you must have better options than me, because if I am really as I say I am, Ralph [info]Nader, then well, you will all join me afterwards when the wolves rise up . . .


Time:2006-07-10 21:57:09 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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#19
odd, though, I think it's true . . . come on now, when was the last time you were alive on Day 4 and NOT a WOLF? . . .


Time:2006-07-10 22:00:39 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#20
If I were a wolf I'd have eaten you early on too.


Time:2006-07-10 22:06:29 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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#21
which is exactly what you did last game . . . couldn't imagine you changing your strategy to not implicate you . . .

and you know full well after last game, that if I were a wolf I would have eaten you on night one . . .


Time:2006-07-10 22:08:21 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#22
Repeating a specious argument doesn't make it any less specious.

Recall the second game I played, where I was a plain vanilla villager and I got lynched on DAY ONE, simply because I'd been such a successful wolf in the first game.

The eating and lynching behaviors of wolves and villagers in previous games has no bearing on the current game. In fact, a smart wolf would look for such patterns and find ways to twist them to their advantage.

Simply because you haven't eaten me yet doesn't mean that I'm not a villager, wolf-boy.


Time:2006-07-10 22:11:41 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#23
Every argument you're using here could just as easily be applied to you. I can't believe you expect anyone to swallow this line of reasoning. Especially not with a confirmed seer pointing the finger at you.


Time:2006-07-10 22:15:26 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
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#24
Actually, I don't have any better options than you at the moment. The only other person high up on my suspicion list is [info]gorillashaman, and he runs a distant second. Besides, like you said earlier, you're not a particularly effective wolf. :P


Time:2006-07-10 22:17:34 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
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#25
Wow, I botched that post nicely. Let's try this again...

The only other person high up on my suspicion list is [info]Gorillashaman, and he runs a distant second. Besides, like you said eariler, you're not a particularly effective wolf. Just like I'm not a particularly effective poster. :(


Time:2006-07-10 22:19:04 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
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#26
Just curious, but is anybody else going to show up and say something? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?


Time:2006-07-10 22:23:31 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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 #27
if I'm not a particularly effective wolf, then if I am in fact a wolf, I've sure done well this game . . .


Time:2006-07-10 22:25:22 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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#28
you do completely realize that if I am in fact Ralph [info]Nader, that you lose too? . . .

and by the way, we're talking about a confirmed seer who didn't even tell us who they spied on during the last night here . . .


Time:2006-07-10 22:26:08 GMT
Author:[info]maniakes
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#29
Ghostly howls...


Time:2006-07-10 22:28:09 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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#30
no, it doesn't make it any less specious, but you've so far failed to answer the question . . . I at least have made it to Day 4 as a villager before . . .

and like I said before, I would have eaten you in a heartbeat if I was a wolf . . . do you really think the other wolves would have argued?


Time:2006-07-10 22:40:37 GMT
Author:[info]amphitrite27
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 #31
arooooooooooooooooo


Time:2006-07-10 22:45:16 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#32
The odds of you being a wolf are much greater than the odds of you being Ralph [info]Nader. Any fool can see that. Put yourself in my position; how would YOU vote if you were me?


Time:2006-07-10 22:47:11 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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 #33
Actually, the seer I'm most annoyed with is [info]giantlaser. Near as I can tell, he didn't clear anybody, and the one hint he did leave pointed to a villager.


Time:2006-07-10 22:52:07 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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 #34
More of the same, Joe. Were I a wolf, I'd have eaten you early on too. And I doubt any other wolves would complain. This whole line of reasoning is more "wine in front of you" crap, and should be discounted. It's a red herring, meant to draw attention away from the fact that a CONFIRMED SEER has said outright that you are a WOLF.


Time:2006-07-10 23:07:58 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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 #35
I'd weigh a bunch of stuff . . . one there is a ralph [info]nader . . . two, I was unsure of if Joe was a wolf last day as, as far as I can tell he's done nothing wolfy, except get implicated by a seer . . . I'd realize that if Joe was Ralph [info]Nader, he'd be caught as it pretty much immediately, especially with two seers in the game . . . additionally I'd realize that if Joe was telling the truth, and he was in fact Ralph [info]Nader and not a wolf, then by lynching him I'd for sure lose the game . . .

at that point I'd start looking for more information to hopefully find a better wolf subject, realizing that after discounting Joe, and after discounting myself, that would leave six people and two (maybe three) wolves, and a 1/3 to 1/2 chance of finding one in that mix . . . I'd then go back and look at all my data and see if could figure one out from that . . . additionally I would try to figure out who the witch was to hopefully cross off more likely suspects (that should cross off at least one, maybe two suspects), thus dropping the chances of finding a wolf to 2 in 5 or 2 in 4 or even 3 in 5 or 3 in 4 (depeding on if Joe is speaking the truth or not) . . . I would lynch Joe immediatly however if another Ralph [info]Nader came up . . .

it's way too much of a risk to lose the game if what Joe is saying is right, especially when all I have to go on is the indictment of a seer who wasn't any good, and I have nothing else to go on because Joe was never high in any of my rankings . . .


Time:2006-07-10 23:24:36 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#36
Perhaps Joe and I are both wrong, and the wolves are just quietly laughing their asses off at us.


Time:2006-07-10 23:25:34 GMT
Author:[info]daedalus4096
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 #37
They can't *all* be wolves... Vote, dammit!


Time:2006-07-10 23:42:48 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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 #38
great, so I can't drink my wine, or your wine . . . quick, give me a nice blush wine instead :)


Time:2006-07-10 23:50:15 GMT
Author:[info]perkyevil
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 #39
I forgot my laptop today. I'll vote tomorrow AM after catching up.


Time:2006-07-11 03:06:19 GMT
Author:[info]chessiekitty
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 #40
I can't- I'm dead. Or did you forget that?


Time:2006-07-11 04:31:47 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#41
I feel like an idiot...

Night one:
wolves attack [info]amphitrite27
witch is given the option to save, but declines

Day two:
witch discovers [info]amphitrite27 did not die, and concludes she was turned

Night two:
witch poisons [info]amphitrite27

Smart witch, good use of poison. I don't know why I didn't grok this earlier. It also proves she was the afflicted.


Time:2006-07-11 06:05:19 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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 #42
I'm here. Some of us have jobs without computers.



Time:2006-07-11 06:06:22 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
Subject:Wow, a lot to catch up with.
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 #43
Ow, my brain. Joe was fingered by a known seer. But, he HAS been a crappy wolf. But he can be a trixy one. Also, the only ones more likely to have crappy luck and be [info]Nader are myself and Daedalus.

Gorillashamen has been throwing an awful lot of meaningless data and stats around. Even though they don't wrongly finger me (for once), I still house a great distrust of the logic that gets me killed every time. And he was very wishy washy on what seemed to be a cut and dry vote yesterday.

Myself, I am not a wolf. Ny change in tactic is simply to not spaz out and get in people's faces so they kill me. I'm always one of the most suspected wolves for some damn reason or another. One of the seers HAD to have scanned me. Notice neither of them ever voted for me. That HAS to say something.

Due to my dislike of gorillashamen's tactics and my empathizing with Joe's plight, VOTE [info]GORILLASHAMAN. I may be wrong, but I'm willing to stake victory on it. I want to actually be alive and win in one of these damn things.


Time:2006-07-11 07:49:01 GMT
Author:[info]gjunell
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#44
Why do your stats never include yourself?


Time:2006-07-11 08:12:57 GMT
Author:[info]gjunell
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#45
If Joe is a wolf and is headed for a lynching, the time is crucial to turn attention away from him to clinch the game. Who would step forward? The other wolf.

VOTE [info]PARZANESE

We kill [info]evilben tomorrow. If they kill me tonight, be SURE to get ben tomorrow.




Time:2006-07-11 08:47:50 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
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#46
Dude, if you guys really want me to vote for Joe, I can. Just going on a hunch. Didn't think I'd sway anyone.

You realize, they could both be wolves and fighting each other so one will look like a hero and not get killed. Guerenteed wolf win. We should probly kill both. that makes it irrelevant which we kill this round.

If you really want to kill me, by all means, I'm used to it. One more voted down villager looses the game, though. Remember what I said, the Seers checked me. They always do. Any veteran player knows this (whick both seers were). If I was a wolf, one of them woul'dve implecated me.


Time:2006-07-11 15:05:20 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#47
If we're both wolves and it is irrelevant who you get first, why not go for the one that was directly implicated by the SEER?


Time:2006-07-11 15:16:12 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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 #48
Because I know I'm a villager. Those numbers aren't really designed to convince YOU of anything, at least not until after I die.

Here's the stats I have today, the way I normally do them (unsorted because I'm lazy):

[info]daedalus4096 44%
[info]gorillashaman 0%
[info]blackbeardin 67%
[info]parzanese 56%
[info]evilben 11%
[info]perkyevil 33%
[info]the1mouse 33%
[info]gjunell 56%

Here's the stats I've got where I've removed the "[info]gorillashaman=NORMAL" line:

[info]daedalus4096 29%
[info]gorillashaman 47%
[info]blackbeardin 53%
[info]parzanese 53%
[info]evilben 24%
[info]perkyevil 35%
[info]the1mouse 29%
[info]gjunell 29%

And if I add "[info]gjunell=NORMAL":

[info]daedalus4096 25%
[info]gorillashaman 67%
[info]blackbeardin 50%
[info]parzanese 58%
[info]evilben 33%
[info]perkyevil 42%
[info]the1mouse 25%

The fact that I show up high on that one is an artifact of you showing up high on the first set of numbers above.

If we add both "[info]gorillashaman=NORMAL" and "[info]gjunell=NORMAL", we get:

[info]daedalus4096 50%
[info]blackbeardin 75%
[info]parzanese 75%
[info]evilben 25%
[info]perkyevil 50%
[info]the1mouse 25%

If you trust those numbers at all, it means you trust a number of baseline assumptions, any one of which could be wrong.

But in the end, you either trust me or you don't. This is largely a psychological game, and I've yet to find a set of baseline assumptions that actually work. Any past players will tell you that the numbers I've been coming up with are generally bullshit. And truth be told, any set of wolves who KNEW what assumptions I was reasoning from could easily thwart them.


Time:2006-07-11 15:38:20 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
Subject:Good point.
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#49
Damn you and your good points! damn things looking clearer after a night's sleep. Most of my arguments sound stupid when read this morning. Even by my notes neither you or [info]gjunell seem like wolves. Gotta agree on Daedalus, though. Eh, that's for another day.

Unvote gorillashamen
vote [info]parzanese


Time:2006-07-11 16:16:30 GMT
Author:[info]blackbeardin
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#50
Looking at Miller's Hollow witch posts, you didn't grok it earlier because when there's an afflicted activation, the witch isn't told who the wolf victim is, they're just told that there is no werewolf victim that night. The witch used someother means of divining amphitrite's identity.


Time:2006-07-11 16:19:07 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#51
Can the GM confirm this?

If the afflicted is attacked, does the witch get a chance to save, or are they simply told there was no victim?


Time:2006-07-11 16:22:22 GMT
Author:[info]blackbeardin
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#52
vote [info]parzanese.


Time:2006-07-11 16:25:01 GMT
Author:[info]lupusintabula
Subject:Official Lupus In Tabula ruling
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#53
Until the HEALING POTION is used the WITCH always gets a chance to SAVE, regardless of the victim's assigned role.


Time:2006-07-11 16:28:01 GMT
Author:[info]blackbeardin
Subject:Re: Official Lupus In Tabula ruling
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 #54
Ah, so it's different from MH.


Time:2006-07-11 16:34:41 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:Re: Official Lupus In Tabula ruling
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#55
that's um, wrong . . . otherwise the afflicted would get killed every time the witch hadn't used their healing potion . . .


Time:2006-07-11 16:37:50 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
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 #56
this dooms the village . . . I am not a wolf and tomorrow morning there will be an equal number of wolves vs villagers


Time:2006-07-11 16:38:12 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:Re: Good point.
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#57
this dooms the village . . . I am not a wolf and tomorrow morning there will be an equal number of wolves vs villagers


Time:2006-07-11 16:38:48 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:40619#663723

Parent:#47
Siblings:#49
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 #58
because I'm not a wolf . . . I'm a villager, and you've just doomed the village . . .


Time:2006-07-11 16:39:13 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:40619#663979

Parent:#45
Siblings:#46
Children:(none)
 #59
this dooms the village . . . I am not a wolf and tomorrow morning there will be an equal number of wolves vs villagers which means game over . . .


Time:2006-07-11 16:48:14 GMT
Author:[info]lupusintabula
Subject:Re: Official Lupus In Tabula ruling
Link:40619#664491

Parent:#55
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Children:#62 #63
#60
There are several things necessary for the scenario you described to occur.
1) The AFFLICTED must be activated, not lynched, POISONED, shot by the HUNTER, or eaten by a WEREHAMPSTER.
2) The BODYGUARD must not be in play. If he is in play, then the WICTH dosn't know if it was a BODYGUARD SAVE or not.
3) The WITCH mustn't have used her HEALING POTION yet during the game.
If all three of these conditions have been met, then yes, the WITCH does know the identity of the AFFLICTED (or else he's the WEREHAMPSTER, who is immune to WEREWOLF attack). Then she must use her valueable resources to do in the WEREWOLVES target.


Time:2006-07-11 16:49:39 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
Subject:Re: Good point.
Link:40619#664747

Parent:#57
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 #61
It's a life lesson in politics. We're all doomed when people vote for Ralph [info]Nader.


Time:2006-07-11 16:54:22 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:Re: Official Lupus In Tabula ruling
Link:40619#665003

Parent:#60
Siblings:#63
Children:(none)
 #62
From the Millers Hollow Rules:

AFFLICTED

The AFFLICTED begins as a villager and believes they are a villager and if checked by the SEER checks as a villager. If lynched they are still a villager and die. If they are targeted by the werewolves, however, their lycanthropic ridden blood activates and they obtain WEREWOLF as their identifier now and are not dead. After they become a WEREWOLF if checked by the SEER they will check as WEREWOLF. When they die they will be announced as either VILLAGER (if before changing) or WEREWOLF (if after changing). If there is a WITCH in the game and the WITCH has not used her healing potion yet, the WITCH does NOT find out who the werewolves victim was. In this case there is no victim because the victim does not die. The WITCH cannot be used as an AFFLICTED finder.

When the AFFLICTED is targeted, the wolves will not be told that the victim was the afflicted. The afflicted will not be told who the wolves are. They will not find out until the next night. It is assumed that the wolves tear apart their victim and leave him for dead. Then his werewolf blood will kick in, he will heal and manifest as a wolf. But he won't know who the rest of the wolves are until that night when he joins them to hunt. Likewise, the wolves may think that the WITCH simply used her healing potion. Also if the SEER spies on the Afflicted the night the Afflicted is turned, they receive a Positive (is a werewolf) result.

The BODYGUARD or MARTYR can stop an AFFLICTED from being targeted by the wolves and thus not turning.

Called the STOOGIE in Mafia games. Called the SNITCH in Raver games.


Time:2006-07-11 16:55:09 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:Re: Official Lupus In Tabula ruling
Link:40619#665259

Parent:#60
Siblings:#62
Children:(none)
 #63
It severely limits the afflicted's chances of survival to allow the witch to be an afflicted finder . . . as clearly seen in this game . . .


Time:2006-07-11 17:17:36 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:40619#665771

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #5 #8 #26 #41 #43 #45 #52 #67 #68
Children:#65
#64
[info]Jeeves!

Yes Sir?

This village is doomed, quick into the vacation home, we must ready to return to Millers Hollow!

Yes Sir

Release the Evil Ben Clones!

What Sir?

Just do it, hand each of them a Mayor mask.

Very good sir.

*Several Evil Bens emerge from the basement dirty and clearly mal nourished from several days locked away with out food. The Mayor hands each of them a Mayor Mask*

Now, [info]Jeeves, make ready, when the Evil Ben Clones create a distraction, we'll make our get away.

Very good sir.


Time:2006-07-11 17:31:19 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
Subject:(none)
Link:40619#666027

Parent:#64
Siblings:(none)
Children:#66
#65
"Alright guys, this is what we've practiced for. All together now:"

"Look at me, I'm Mayor [info]parzanese! I have a hat and a butler! Look at my [info]duck, it's creepy! Want some [info]evilben snacks? Choke on them and die. I keep implying I'm a vampire, but I'm out every day. I seed villages with werewolves because I'm a jerk. Watch me smoke and drink wine."


Time:2006-07-11 17:35:14 GMT
Author:[info]parzanese
Subject:(none)
Link:40619#666283

Parent:#65
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #66
Now [info]Jeeves, while the distraction is occurring, ride like the wind!

Yes sir.

*a hearse like carriage erupts out of the garage of the Mayor's vacation home and races off down the road, the Butler [info]Jeeves whipping the horses into a frenzy*

Oh and before I go, just because I haven't done it yet

unvote [info]gorillashaman, vote [info]the1mouse

Arrrrooooooooo!

*And with a loud cloud of dust, the mayor's hearse rocketed out of town, leaving a pack of squabbling Evil Bens dressed up like Mayors*


Time:2006-07-11 17:39:26 GMT
Author:[info]evilben
Subject:(none)
Link:40619#666539

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #5 #8 #26 #41 #43 #45 #52 #64 #68
Children:(none)
 #67
Well now. joe's pretty much admiting wolfiness. looks like [info]gjunell and [info]gorillashaman are right. Makes all my arguements look even more dumb now. Unless I am right about the whole they're both wolves and this is a ploy thing.


Time:2006-07-11 17:39:29 GMT
Author:[info]lupusintabula
Subject:(none)
Link:40619#666795

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #5 #8 #26 #41 #43 #45 #52 #64 #67
Children:(none)
 #68
Post closed.


Vote History
[info]parzanesevote[info]gorillashaman2006-07-10 19:45:44 GMT#3
[info]gorillashamanvote[info]parzanese2006-07-10 20:12:58 GMT#4
[info]daedalus4096vote[info]parzanese2006-07-10 20:13:57 GMT#5
[info]evilbenvote[info]gorillashaman2006-07-11 06:06:22 GMT#43
[info]gjunellvote[info]parzanese2006-07-11 08:12:57 GMT#45
[info]evilbenunvote[info]gorillashaman2006-07-11 15:38:20 GMT#49gorillashamen
[info]evilbenvote[info]parzanese2006-07-11 15:38:20 GMT#49
[info]blackbeardinvote[info]parzanese2006-07-11 16:22:22 GMT#52
[info]parzaneseunvote[info]gorillashaman2006-07-11 17:35:14 GMT#66
[info]parzanesevote[info]the1mouse2006-07-11 17:35:14 GMT#66
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