areyouacultist - Day 3

Link:10669 Sat Jan 23 00:21:26 2010

Having felt a tickle in her sweet tooth,

maggiebloome decided to step out of her home to go to Mrs. Crabtree's Bed, Breakfast, and Aquarium for a late night snack. The old woman was always up at odd hours of the evening, she never seemed to go to sleep in fact, and it was with much delight that

maggiebloome later made her way home, an ice cream cone in her hand.

"Mmmmm, chocolate!" she said to herself, taking her first lick of cold, chocolatey goodness.

Suddenly, a dark shape dropped from above to land in front of her, startling her.

"Who are you?" she asked, her heart in her throat.

A gravely voice replied from the darkness, "I'm Batman."

In the morning the villagers would find her in a puddle, melted ice cream near her face and a crushed cone still held in her dead hand. No other bodies were found that morning. The rain is so bad that it drives everyone inside the Innsmouth Masons Lodge in order to stay dry.

--- maggiebloome the VILLAGER is dead!---

((Mod Note: This round will go until 11 AM, Monday the 19th. I will be unavailable starting 5 PM today. Have a good weekend!))

	Time:2009-10-16 21:14:37 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#87981	Parent:(none) Siblings:#3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:#2 #5	#1
	Here's where we stand... THE DEAD chaos_dancer - CULTIST celothae - PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR makellan - VILLAGER maggiebloome - VILLAGER THE LIVING chelleann77 - claims bodyguard, uncontested theweaselking - claims vigilante, uncontested sylvan - claims thrill killer, uncontested urbanwolfie - claims doctor, uncontested snoopyh42a - saved by bodyguard on night 1 zhymmy gorillashaman starryshadows stride reyl raisha flowen roles still unknown/unclaimed: cultist, sorcerer

	Time:2009-10-16 21:32:52 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#88749	Parent:#1 Siblings:#5 Children:#4 #10 #13 #16 #20	#2
	Might as well start working through the rest of the list. Zhymmy was an early voter for the cultist on day 1, although he might be the Sorceror. gorillashaman's still got the sensible logic and I still can't figure out how he could be a cultist/sorceror and still be so strongly advocating the position. Nobody's disputing any of the Special jobs. VOTE STARRYSHADOW Vigilante is now going for: Stride. Sorry, you're next on the list. urbanwolfie: Did you use your potion last night? If so, on whom - and if you did, you should poison someone tonight. Chelleann77: Protecting me tonight is probably the best bet, guaranteeing that I get a kill tomorrow night as well before the cultist can get me. What this means: 4 known good. Today: We lynch Starryshadow, I kill Stride, doctor poisons... Reyl, because he's next on the list. Bodyguard protects me, meaning most likely either Doctor or Bodyguard dies to the cultists. Tomorrow: We lynch one person and I kill one. The Cultist then kills me because duh. The Day After Tomorrow: Survivors: Doctor OR Bodyguard Thrill-Killer Snoopy 2 villagers 3-2, "known goods" lynch a villager. That night, Doctor/Bodyguarddies. The Day After The Day After Tomorrow: Snoopy and the Thrill-Killer lynch the last unknown. So, assuming we miss the cultist at every step of the way, it's mathematically impossible for the villagers to lose this one unless they actively start working against their own interests.

	Time:2009-10-16 21:38:13 GMT Author:flowen Subject:(none) Link:10669#89005	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:#17	#3
	I can totally imagine starryshadow as evil. I'm tempted to vote for Gorilla though, as he narrowly escaped death yesterday. Gorrila's are more metal than shadows though, so I vote starryshadow Power slides away as the bass solo begins

	Time:2009-10-16 21:39:20 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#89517	Parent:#2 Siblings:#10 #13 #16 #20 Children:(none)	#4
	Possible complication: One of the specials is lying about being special. Well, at this point if that's the case the real Special needs to stand up, and we have a discussion. If they claim to be Vigilante: Do nothing. I will swap my target to them and kill them at nightfall, because I am the real vigilante. If I am lying, they will kill me. If they claim to be Thrill-Killer: We vote them off the island today, and then lynch Sylvan tomorrow if he was lying about being the Thrill-Killer to save his skin from me yesterday. If they claim to be the Bodyguard: We lynch them, because they had ample opportunity to call Chelleann77 a liar yesterday. If we're wrong, we lynch Chelleann tomorrow. If they claim to be the Doctor: We ignore them both today. The real Doctor poisons the fake Doctor tonight. If, for some reason, And since we can do any two of these, it doesn't matter if both the Cultist and the Sorceror claim (or have claimed) roles, or even both claim the same role and give us 3.

	Time:2009-10-16 21:42:14 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#89773	Parent:#1 Siblings:#2 Children:#6 #15	#5
	In fact.... I think the only way this can fail is if we're wrong about Snoopy, and Snoopy is the Sorceror, AND the cultist manages to avoid death for several more rounds. That requires a CRAZY amount of luck on round 1, though: Cultist 1 was lynched, cultist 2 targeted Sorceror, bodyguard protected Sorceror?

	Time:2009-10-16 21:44:25 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#90029	Parent:#5 Siblings:#15 Children:(none)	#6
	(Snoopy can't be the Cultist because: He was protected by the bodyguard on round 1, from a Cultist attack. While he technically could have attacked himself, targeting himself on turn 1, when he's the only surviving Cultist, and relying on the Doctor or Bodyguard to save his ass right out of the gate? That's psycho. But he could be the sorceror, because the Cultist wouldn't know that.)

	Time:2009-10-16 21:51:02 GMT Author:areyouacultist Subject:Things of note... Link:10669#90541	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:#11	#7
	snoopyh42, starryshadows, chelleann77, and I are all members of the same RenFaire guild and may not be able to respond to stuff until Monday. Or they could simply be hiding. Who knows. Same goes for stride, but she is going to a different event. Of course, you can lynch or murder whoever you like.

	Time:2009-10-16 22:28:06 GMT Author:zhymmy Subject:(none) Link:10669#91821	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:#9	#8
	steps on soap box We no longer have a private investigator to help us figure this out. We have self-proclaimed specials, which leaves us lowly plain villagers to fend for ourselves. We are 1 for 2 now with our lynchings. One had a robe, one did not. And the robe was, quite frankly, freaking spooky. The robes are definitely the key! I hereby suggest that we investigate the home of reyl in searching for a freaky blood stained robe with tentacly bits on it. Tentacly bits are NEVER good. In addition, Reyl has shifty eyes and smiles wayyyy too much to be up to anything good. gets off soapbox

	Time:2009-10-16 22:30:06 GMT Author:areyouacultist Subject:behind you, it's MODGOD! symbal crash Link:10669#92077	Parent:#8 Siblings:(none) Children:#12	#9
	If that is a vote for reyl, please format it as "vote name" (at least somewhere in your comment) so that the cuddlepuddle site can track it.

	Time:2009-10-16 22:33:26 GMT Author:stride Subject:(none) Link:10669#92333	Parent:#2 Siblings:#4 #13 #16 #20 Children:(none)	#10
	Understood. Unfortunately I don't have anything to offer the table to convince you otherwise, but at least I get to laugh at the Batman joke.

	Time:2009-10-16 22:34:32 GMT Author:stride Subject:Re: Things of note... Link:10669#92589	Parent:#7 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#11
	I'll be available until about 5ish tonight. Then I'll be back to the compy Monday. :)

	Time:2009-10-16 22:34:50 GMT Author:zhymmy Subject:Re: behind you, it's MODGOD! symbal crash Link:10669#92845	Parent:#9 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#12
	JUMPS! Dammit, that was my best beer mug. But, wasn't exactly a vote, but a theory. To generate discussion and conversation and roleplay. :)

	Time:2009-10-16 22:47:56 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#93101	Parent:#2 Siblings:#4 #10 #16 #20 Children:#14 #51	#13
	It is ESSENTIAL that the bodyguard protect the vigilante (theweaselking) tonight.

	Time:2009-10-16 22:56:56 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#93357	Parent:#13 Siblings:#51 Children:(none)	#14
	It's possible to win if she doesn't. However, it's also possible to LOSE if she doesn't, where it's not possible to lose if she doesn't. So she definitely should.

	Time:2009-10-16 23:12:50 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#93613	Parent:#5 Siblings:#6 Children:#18 #19 #56 #69	#15
	You are correct. I missed it too. Profuse apologies. It won't matter until we hit the last day. If the last day gives us 1 known good, 1 snoopyh42 == sorceror, and 1 cultist, then the bad guys can out themselves and lynch the villager. So we're back from a "guaranteed win" to a "90% chance of win". Still great odds. I fiddled with it a bit, assuming snoopyh42 was the sorceror, and tried to make it work out to a guaranteed win again using various combinations of electing a sheriff and/or having the vigilante skip a nightly kill (to change the even/odd vote balance) but I couldn't quite make anything work. Perhaps someone else can do better. The strategy I posted earlier is still the best I've come up with so far. So Today, we have... 12 alive, 5 known good, 1 cultist lynch someone at random, 1/7 chance we get the cultist bodyguard announces protection of vigilante cultist kills bodyguard or doctor doctor poisons, 1/6 chance we get the cultist (can he poison if he's targeted? assume yes) vigilante kills, 1/5 chance we get the cultist (may require doctor/vigilante coordination) The doctor and vigilante should coordinate who they are going to kill tonight. It occurs to me now that we can speed this up, and guarantee a villager win. It almost feels like cheating though. All the regular plain old (nonspecial, nonsnoopy) villagers should simply stop posting. Two days hence they'll all GM suicide. This will leave a DECIDEDLY large advantage for the known specials. Here's how it would work, I think... Today, 12 alive, 4 known good, 1 snoopy, 1 cultist lynch someone at random, 1/7 chance we get the cultist bodyguard announces protection of vigilante cultist kills bodyguard or doctor doctor poisons, 1/6 chance we get the cultist (can he poison if he's targeted? assume yes) vigilante kills, 1/5 chance we get the cultist (may require doctor/vigilante coordination) NORMAL VILLAGERS DO NOT POST next day, 8 alive, 3 known good, 1 cultist, 1 snoopy lynch someone at random, 1/4 chance we get the cultist cultist kills vigilante (does vigilante still get a kill? assume yes) vigilante kills, 1/3 chance we get the cultist NORMAL VILLAGERS DO NOT POST next day, 5 alive, 2 known good, 1 cultist, 1 snoopy lynch someone at random, 1/2 chance we get the cultist cultist kills a special AT LEAST 1 NORMAL VILLAGER SUICIDED BY GM next day, 2 alive, 1 known good, 1 snoopy VILLAGER WIN. This has some obvious problems, as it requires even more trust than previous plans. Most people don't like to be the sacrificial lamb that scores a villager win by dying. Especially not if it requires not participating in the game. It also requires the specials to NOT lynch the quiet ones, which gives the cultist and sorceror a way to hide for a few days. Extra problem in that, if you object to the plan, arguing against it jeopardizes it. I think the best thing at this point would be for the normal vanilla villagers who have not yet posted hang back and wait to post, and allow the specials and those who have already posted today to discuss the strategy and reach consensus.

	Time:2009-10-16 23:29:27 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#93869	Parent:#2 Siblings:#4 #10 #13 #20 Children:(none)	#16
	vote counter misted it. Should be Starryshadows, with an S on the end.

	Time:2009-10-16 23:33:07 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#94125	Parent:#3 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#17
	vote counter didn't catch it. Starryshadows, with an S on the end.

	Time:2009-10-16 23:35:54 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#94381	Parent:#15 Siblings:#19 #56 #69 Children:#22	#18
	If the last day gives us 1 known good, 1 snoopyh42* == sorceror, and 1 cultist, then the bad guys can out themselves and lynch the villager.* ... which, since the last villager is the thrill-killer, means he kills the cultist. The Sorceror only wins if the cultists win. If there are are non-zero villagers left and the Sorceror, the villagers win and the cultists lose. What happens if the Sorceror (technically a villager!) is the only person left standing? The cultists only win if they're the only survivors, and the Sorceror only wins if the cultists win.... Have I mentioned recently how much I love this game?

	Time:2009-10-16 23:42:01 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#94893	Parent:#15 Siblings:#18 #56 #69 Children:#23	#19
	This will leave a DECIDEDLY large advantage for the known specials. Especially since we lynch anyone who talks. Either they're a Cultist trying to stay alive, and we kill 'em, or they're disputing one of the Special's claims and we handle them as above. But no. Not only is it a boring plan, it's also the degenerate case to guarantee an auto-win in any game. Step 1: All normal villagers say nothing, unless there is a competing non-Doctor, non-Vigilante Special claim. Step 2: All specials self-identify. All competing claims are lynched by everyone, not just the Specials. Step 3: Anyone who doesn't claim Special status, who posts except to lynch a Competing Special, is lynched. You'd have to REALLY heavily weight the game in favour of the wolves to have that be at all winnable. But that would defeat the purpose of playing.

	Time:2009-10-16 23:42:38 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:Try #2. Link:10669#95149	Parent:#2 Siblings:#4 #10 #13 #16 Children:(none)	#20
	VOTE STARRYSHADOWS

	Time:2009-10-16 23:44:01 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:MOD THINGUMMIE Link:10669#95405	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:#26	#21
	((Mod Note: This round will go until 11 AM, Monday the 19th. What time zone are you in? (Yes, yes, you very well might not be available by the time you see this question)

	Time:2009-10-16 23:55:43 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#95661	Parent:#18 Siblings:(none) Children:#25	#22
	hrm... How bizarre. For a moment there I thought I might get bored. IF the final day is thrillkill, snoopy=sorceror, and cultist, and snoopy+cultist lynch thrillkill, he simply shoots the cultist. Villager win, where "villager" means "one man standing sorceror". Hilarious. What if they try to tie up the vote? One of snoopy=sorceror or cultist abstains. No tiebreaker, cultist survives into the night and kills the thrillkill, who in turn kills the cultist and again we have the "one man standing sorceror" end. Does the cultist get two kills in retribution? Is her forced to kill the sorceror as well? Is that a "zero man standing" villager or cultist win? Has any game ever ended in a tie? Hrm. Maybe the cultist decides he needs to avoid the whole mess by offing the thrillkill instead of the doctor? No, that just guarantees a villager win sooner. Or maybe off the thrillkill instead of the bodyguard? Nope, again, that preserves specials and gets us a villager win again.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:00:33 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#95917	Parent:#19 Siblings:(none) Children:#24 #29	#23
	It only works when the specials outnumber the wolves by a good margin (2:1), or villagers have a reliable way to get extra kills. Here we got away with it because we have a low number of cultists (one) resulting from damn good luck on the first day, AND we have the vigilante giving us the extra kill per day. If the vigilante were the serial killer (i.e. not on the villager side) he would have NO incentive to come out.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:01:12 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#96173	Parent:#23 Siblings:#29 Children:(none)	#24
	Maybe 2:1 isn't required. Maybe just greater than 1:1.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:05:18 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#96429	Parent:#22 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#25
	To guard against the "cultist kills thrillkiller early" scenario, the thrillkiller, doctor, and vigilante should all announce their targets early to avoid overlap. Any overlap at this point is bad for the villagers.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:18:36 GMT Author:zhymmy Subject:Re: MOD THINGUMMIE Link:10669#96685	Parent:#21 Siblings:(none) Children:#27	#26
	He's PST.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:19:51 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:Re: MOD THINGUMMIE Link:10669#96941	Parent:#26 Siblings:(none) Children:#28 #31	#27
	Okay. The location in "Massachusetts" was confusing the fuck out of me, until I remembered ARKHAM.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:21:32 GMT Author:zhymmy Subject:Re: MOD THINGUMMIE Link:10669#97197	Parent:#27 Siblings:#31 Children:#32	#28
	Well, I think the person who created the game is in Mass, but the current moderator is in Cali. :) Unless I'm wrong. Which I could be.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:24:07 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#97453	Parent:#23 Siblings:#24 Children:#30 #34	#29
	If the vigilante was the serial killer, he either comes out as a Special (generating a duplicate, which is handled based on the Special's abilities in question), he speaks out without claiming special-hood and is lynched, or he stays quiet and dies. The fact that, on the second round of no-Special-Disputes-and-no-non-Special-talkers, everyone dies? Virtually guarantees victory for the villagers. They know that anyone who speaks up is a ~~terrorist~~wolf. Playing a "Blind" game would totally fix this problem, for the record.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:25:36 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#97709	Parent:#29 Siblings:#34 Children:(none)	#30
	(And there are no suicides when there are non-Special talkers, because non-Special talkers are lynched by EVERYONE, including non-Specials. Anyone breaking from this trend? Gets lynched.)

	Time:2009-10-17 00:31:39 GMT Author:areyouacultist Subject:Re: MOD THINGUMMIE Link:10669#97965	Parent:#27 Siblings:#28 Children:(none)	#31
	Yar. Blog location is in relation to the game. The creator and moderator of this game (well, in so far as I adapted it from other games), is in California.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:32:49 GMT Author:areyouacultist Subject:Re: MOD THINGUMMIE Link:10669#98221	Parent:#28 Siblings:(none) Children:#33	#32
	Yes, wrong (but still love ya). Blog location is in relation to the game, which is Mass. The creater (in so far as I adapted it from other games) and mod is in California.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:33:55 GMT Author:zhymmy Subject:Re: MOD THINGUMMIE Link:10669#98477	Parent:#32 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#33
	Hey now, that's only HALF wrong then. Hmpf.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:48:21 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#98733	Parent:#29 Siblings:#30 Children:#35 #38	#34
	In fact, if there's anything less than 2:1 numbers, the wolves all pick a different role and contest the claims - preferably avoiding roles like "Doctor" or "Vigilante" who can easily dispatch their opposite number. That maximises confusion, but can still be countered by the fact that legit villagers will not speak up and not participate except to lynch people who are Not Going Along With The Plan. (If there's much closer to 1:1 numbers, this stratagem may eventually fail - but in any case where it's possible to fail, there is basically no way to win a standard game, because the Wolves have way too big an advantage.) So, yeah. I think we've stumbled across The Perfect Way To Win Every Time, and it's really fucking boring. So we shouldn't do that, now or any other time.

	Time:2009-10-17 00:53:21 GMT Author:zhymmy Subject:(none) Link:10669#98989	Parent:#34 Siblings:#38 Children:(none)	#35
	I keep telling you people, it's ALL ABOUT THE ROBES. Nobody ever listens to me.

	Time:2009-10-17 03:28:11 GMT Author:maggiebloome Subject:(none) Link:10669#100013	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:#37 #39	#36
	:( but I don't even LIKE chocolate!

	Time:2009-10-17 04:00:04 GMT Author:zhymmy Subject:(none) Link:10669#100269	Parent:#36 Siblings:#39 Children:(none)	#37
	Neither does Batman, apparently.

	Time:2009-10-17 04:20:27 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#100525	Parent:#34 Siblings:#35 Children:#49	#38
	Actually, your biggest obstacle is going to be convincing new vanilla villagers to shut up and basically not play. Old ones too, because, you know, LOGIC is so SUSPICIOUS!

	Time:2009-10-17 06:49:38 GMT Author:snoopyh42 Subject:(none) Link:10669#100781	Parent:#36 Siblings:#37 Children:(none)	#39
	Hey, aren't you supposed to be dead?

	Time:2009-10-17 14:33:17 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:STRATEGY FOR TODAY Link:10669#101037	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:(none)	#40
	VOTE STARRYSHADOWS because the outed specials seem to have started voting for them. thrillkiller, vigilante, and doctor should ALL announce targets to avoid overlap kills tonight. vigilante theweaselking has announced stride as a target thrillkiller sylvan has made no posts yet doctor urbanwolfie has made no posts yet bodyguard chelleann77 should protect vigilante theweaselking tonight 12 alive, 5 known good, 1 cultist lynch someone at random, 1/7 chance we get the cultist bodyguard announces protection of vigilante cultist kills bodyguard or doctor doctor poisons, 1/6 chance we get the cultist (can he poison if he's targeted? assume yes) vigilante kills, 1/5 chance we get the cultist (may require doctor/vigilante coordination)

	Time:2009-10-19 02:58:40 GMT Author:raisha Subject:(none) Link:10669#101293	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:#46	#41
	vote reyl

	Time:2009-10-19 11:44:38 GMT Author:zhymmy Subject:(none) Link:10669#102317	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:#47	#42
	pretends there was actual discussion amongst villagers Vote reyl

	Time:2009-10-19 12:02:04 GMT Author:reyl Subject:(none) Link:10669#102573	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:#44 #48	#43
	A vote for me is a vote wasted... I'm just a fisherman. The only tentacly bits in my closet are calamari. vote abstain

	Time:2009-10-19 14:13:57 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#102829	Parent:#43 Siblings:#48 Children:#60	#44
	You know that if you actually vote, right now as things stand you can guarantee that someone who isn't you is lynched? If you abstain, you've got a 50/50 chance.

	Time:2009-10-19 14:21:29 GMT Author:flowen Subject:(none) Link:10669#103085	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:(none)	#45
	Just to make sure the system heard me turns amps up all the way vote starryshadows Intense bass solo

	Time:2009-10-19 14:42:19 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#103341	Parent:#41 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#46
	fascinating. Why not Starryshadows?

	Time:2009-10-19 14:42:31 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#103597	Parent:#42 Siblings:(none) Children:#50	#47
	fascinating. Why not Starryshadows?

	Time:2009-10-19 14:42:41 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#103853	Parent:#43 Siblings:#44 Children:(none)	#48
	fascinating. Why not Starryshadows?

	Time:2009-10-19 14:45:48 GMT Author:zhymmy Subject:(none) Link:10669#104109	Parent:#38 Siblings:(none) Children:#55	#49
	See, I thought this was a game. You know, one of those things you play. Not just to win, but to enjoy.

	Time:2009-10-19 14:47:43 GMT Author:zhymmy Subject:(none) Link:10669#104365	Parent:#47 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#50
	He's shifty eyed.

	Time:2009-10-19 14:47:54 GMT Author:chelleann77 Subject:(none) Link:10669#104621	Parent:#13 Siblings:#14 Children:#57	#51
	Unfortunately, I protected theweaselking last night, and am not allowed to protect someone twice consecutively.

	Time:2009-10-19 14:50:54 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#104877	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:#53 #54	#52
	Point of order... I think voting for starryshadows may be a mistake. I'm going to let my vote stay however, because I think it would be a bad idea to turn it around now. The first vote for starryshadows was a (misspelled) vote from Flowen, who IS NOT AN OUTED SPECIAL. No cultist is ever going to start the vote for themselves. Therefore following unknown people is a bad, bad idea. My question for theweaselking is, did you see Flowen's vote when you posted yours? Or was that done independently? ONLY OUTED SPECIALS should lead votes. Outed specials should NOT follow the lead of an unknown villager. From here on out, ANYONE who votes BEFORE an outed special votes is going to go on my suspicion list immediately.

	Time:2009-10-19 14:54:52 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#105133	Parent:#52 Siblings:#54 Children:(none)	#53
	In fact, I'd even go so far as to suggest that the thrillkiller target Flowen and the doctor poison Raisha; both are unknown villagers who started a vote today.

	Time:2009-10-19 14:55:37 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#105389	Parent:#52 Siblings:#53 Children:#58	#54
	My vote was first, actually - I voted at 5:32PM, in the first response to the first comment. flowen voted at 5:38 PM. However, since I left the S off of "starryshadows", your script didn't count my vote until I posted a new comment.

	Time:2009-10-19 14:56:56 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#105645	Parent:#49 Siblings:(none) Children:#61	#55
	Pretty much my argument for why the "perfect strategy" should never be used - I can't see a failure mode in it, but it's boring.

	Time:2009-10-19 14:58:51 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#105901	Parent:#15 Siblings:#18 #19 #69 Children:(none)	#56
	I've found a second failure mode in our logic. I'd rather not describe it right now because if the cultist hasn't seen it we're still good. (Victory: Still very likely, even if Cultist finds the same problem I did. Certain: No.)

	Time:2009-10-19 15:05:49 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#106157	Parent:#51 Siblings:(none) Children:#59 #63	#57
	http://areyouacultist.livejournal.com/8063.html?thread=75135#t75135 Gorillashamn sighs, and heads back to his home to scribble on paper for a while.

	Time:2009-10-19 15:06:46 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#106413	Parent:#54 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#58
	Ah, ok!

	Time:2009-10-19 15:20:17 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#106669	Parent:#57 Siblings:#63 Children:(none)	#59
	Fascinating. It might have been better to keep that one quiet. Now the Cultist knows the vigilante is unprotected. Unless... I never thought to ask if the doctor used a healing potion either. I just assumed they did, although I don't see any mention in the flavor text. If they didn't use a healing potion, I think they'd have chosen to use a poison potion. All the specials are out, so that would have been the ideal time. Maybe the doctor did... Nothing. The craptastic bit is that only the cultist and the doctor know for sure what actually happened last night. In either case, your logical choice then is to protect the doctor. The rest of it? I need to sit down and work through the game tree.

	Time:2009-10-19 15:25:12 GMT Author:reyl Subject:(none) Link:10669#106925	Parent:#44 Siblings:(none) Children:#62	#60
	My best guesses at this point aren't people who are being voted for. If you and gorilla change your pick to someone more likely I will probably go with that.

	Time:2009-10-19 15:25:53 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#107181	Parent:#55 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#61
	There's a definite split between roleplayers and logicplayers. But frankly, I've ALWAYS had a problem with people who roleplay in a sub optimum manner for the win conditions. i.e. I'm a dwarf fighter with an INT of 7, so I'm ALWAYS going to charge straight into battle, no matter what trap/ambush might lie ahead, even if a child could see the 10,000 crudely concealed orcs in hiding.

	Time:2009-10-19 15:26:49 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#107437	Parent:#60 Siblings:(none) Children:#66	#62
	Who's your guess? If you get lynched, nobody gets to know who you're suspicious of and why. :)

	Time:2009-10-19 15:37:08 GMT Author:chelleann77 Subject:(none) Link:10669#107693	Parent:#57 Siblings:#59 Children:#64	#63
	Oh Sorry, I was gone from the internet until this morning. I didn't see that and sent my vote in by text message from what I could remember of the discussion.

	Time:2009-10-19 15:42:19 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#107949	Parent:#63 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#64
	No, it's good. I'm practically giddy. Does Arkham have a pub? Next two rounds are on me. I think we've won for sure now.

	Time:2009-10-19 15:53:31 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#108205	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:(none)	#65
	If the doctor has a choice tonight between saving and poisoning, they should save.

	Time:2009-10-19 16:14:20 GMT Author:reyl Subject:(none) Link:10669#108461	Parent:#62 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#66
	I'm still not sure, but my best guess is currently Zhymmy. They are making up reasons for me to be suspicious, and I know I'm not. If they are the cultist, they are particularly evil because they voted for the other cultist on the first day. This would be dastardly, and shift suspicion. They didn't vote at all on the second day, which is a good way to lay low. I also find stride suspicious, but weasel is taking care of that.

	Time:2009-10-19 16:20:43 GMT Author:sylvan Subject:(none) Link:10669#108717	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #68 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:(none)	#67
	Vote starryshadows Sylvan cast around nervously at all the villagers, eyes twitching. Clearly he was deciding whom to take with him.

	Time:2009-10-19 16:27:04 GMT Author:chelleann77 Subject:(none) Link:10669#108973	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #70 #74 #75 #79 Children:#71 #72	#68
	I'm going with gorilla this time, mainly cause i just got back the compy and it's too much to parse in my drug addled/have a cold state. VOTE Starryshadows Any coherent thoughts on who the body gaured should protect? You should give me an option cause I'm not a fan of taking orders and I do like to make up my own mind. Pick your best two and tell me why.

	Time:2009-10-19 16:28:16 GMT Author:snoopyh42 Subject:(none) Link:10669#109229	Parent:#15 Siblings:#18 #19 #56 Children:(none)	#69
	Is it okay that I'm highly amused that I've become a strategy point?

	Time:2009-10-19 16:31:50 GMT Author:snoopyh42 Subject:(none) Link:10669#109485	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #74 #75 #79 Children:(none)	#70
	Since I don't like voting for someone just for the sake of following the crowd, I choose to stay out this round. vote abstain

	Time:2009-10-19 16:39:50 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#109741	Parent:#68 Siblings:#72 Children:#73	#71
	I'd be a good choice. If you can't get me, the doctor is a decent option, too, or the Thrill-Killer. Basically, protect the specials and see how it goes.

	Time:2009-10-19 17:03:21 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#109997	Parent:#68 Siblings:#71 Children:(none)	#72
	Doctor urbanwolfie; outed special, it is possible he has two potions left, and keeping him alive to use both is a good call. (and a second, only because you asked) snoopyh42; most trusted villager on the block, he is a likely target.

	Time:2009-10-19 17:04:40 GMT Author:gorillashaman Subject:(none) Link:10669#110253	Parent:#71 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#73
	I'd avoid protecting the thrill killer; If the cultist gets him, he takes out a random non special. This works in our favor and hastens the cultist's demise.

	Time:2009-10-19 17:30:03 GMT Author:flowen Subject:(none) Link:10669#110509	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #75 #79 Children:#76 #78	#74
	Respectfully, I'm going to bow out until you decide to run a Blind game. This game is absolutely no fun unless there is some mystery.

	Time:2009-10-19 17:30:37 GMT Author:flowen Subject:(none) Link:10669#110765	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #79 Children:(none)	#75
	So vote flowen /suicide

	Time:2009-10-19 17:42:50 GMT Author:reyl Subject:(none) Link:10669#111021	Parent:#74 Siblings:#78 Children:#77	#76
	I have to say it would be much more fun if we had to stay in character and weren't allowed to debate strategy OOC. I play killer sudoku when I want a logic puzzle ;)

	Time:2009-10-19 17:46:04 GMT Author:flowen Subject:(none) Link:10669#111277	Parent:#76 Siblings:(none) Children:(none)	#77
	Exactly. I tried to be in character (even if it was a crazy Metalhead), but that doesn't seem to be the way these things go. Oh well. There's always something else to do.

	Time:2009-10-19 17:46:41 GMT Author:theweaselking Subject:(none) Link:10669#111533	Parent:#74 Siblings:#76 Children:(none)	#78
	I think "blind" isn't entirely necessary - but not knowing the roles and numbers in advance, with reveals happening only on death, would make for a better game. As in, we don't know which roles are in or how many. And yes, I totally realise I've been part of the problem in this iteration. I can do better, I promise!

	Time:2009-10-19 18:05:25 GMT Author:areyouacultist Subject:(none) Link:10669#111789	Parent:(none) Siblings:#1 #3 #7 #8 #21 #36 #40 #41 #42 #43 #45 #52 #65 #67 #68 #70 #74 #75 Children:(none)	#79
	POST CLOSED!

Vote History

theweaselking	vote	starryshadows	2009-10-16 23:42:38 GMT	#20
gorillashaman	vote	starryshadows	2009-10-17 14:33:17 GMT	#40
raisha	vote	reyl	2009-10-19 02:58:40 GMT	#41
zhymmy	vote	reyl	2009-10-19 11:44:38 GMT	#42
reyl	vote	abstain	2009-10-19 12:02:04 GMT	#43
flowen	vote	starryshadows	2009-10-19 14:21:29 GMT	#45
sylvan	vote	starryshadows	2009-10-19 16:20:43 GMT	#67
chelleann77	vote	starryshadows	2009-10-19 16:27:04 GMT	#68
snoopyh42	vote	abstain	2009-10-19 16:31:50 GMT	#70
flowen	vote	flowen	2009-10-19 17:30:37 GMT	#75

Vote Summary

4 against	starryshadows	:	chelleann77 theweaselking gorillashaman sylvan
2 against	reyl	:	zhymmy raisha
2 against	abstain	:	reyl snoopyh42
1 against	flowen	:	flowen
Posted but no vote		:	areyouacultist maggiebloome stride

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posts by	gorillashaman	:	(24)	#1 #13 #15 #16 #17 #22 #23 #24 #25 #38 #40 #46 #47 #48 #52 #53 #57 #58 #59 #61 #64 #65 #72 #73
posts by	theweaselking	:	(20)	#2 #4 #5 #6 #14 #18 #19 #20 #21 #27 #29 #30 #34 #44 #54 #55 #56 #62 #71 #78
posts by	zhymmy	:	(10)	#8 #12 #26 #28 #33 #35 #37 #42 #49 #50
posts by	areyouacultist	:	(5)	#7 #9 #31 #32 #79
posts by	flowen	:	(5)	#3 #45 #74 #75 #77
posts by	reyl	:	(4)	#43 #60 #66 #76
posts by	chelleann77	:	(3)	#51 #63 #68
posts by	snoopyh42	:	(3)	#39 #69 #70
posts by	stride	:	(2)	#10 #11
posts by	raisha	:	(1)	#41
posts by	sylvan	:	(1)	#67
posts by	maggiebloome	:	(1)	#36

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