areyouacultist - Day 2

Link:8063 Sat Jan 23 00:21:25 2010

After determining that chaso_dancer was a Cultist, the village returned to their homes, relieved that they had not chosen incorrectly.

That evening, a terrible wind ripped across the town from the ocean, howling against the houses of Innsmouth. Rain lashed against the streets, forcing everyone to stay indoors, but, deep within the woods, an eldritch fire danced with green flames, illuminating a red-robed, hooded figure.

Hefting a knife, the Cultist raised their face to the sky and cried, "Oh great and powerful One! I know I have angered you in a past life. Now I must grovel before you to absolve my sins. The stars are not yet fully aligned for only then will your hunger be appeased!

"Until the time of Feasting has come...I must give you...an appetizer!"

The flames surged higher as if responding to the Cultist's voice and the figure backed away, stealing through the trees back to town.

Creeping through the shadows, the Cultist's eyes fell on their victim's home, the lights inside off, the inhabitants asleep. Just as the Cultist's hand touched the door handle, a figure shot from around the corner of the house, their fist connecting with the Cultist's head.

"Not tonight you don't!" the Bodyguard shouted as the melee began.

The Cultist slashed and stabbed but it was no use, the Bodyguard's kung fu was simply stronger.

"All will be devoured!" the Cultist spat before dropping something on the ground, a bright flash of light and smoke blinding the Bodyguard. When the smoke cleared the Cultist was gone. Their job done, the Bodyguard dusted their hands off and went back to their own home to a night's rest well earned.

Meanwhile...across the town, a figure ran across the street, [info]ducking, bobbing, and weaving between the houses, doing its best to remain unseen. It had just unlocked the back door of a house when a rough hand grabbed it by the shoulder and threw them to the ground. As the horrified person looked up, lightning flashed across the sky, illuminating their assailant who stood above them, a metal baseball bat held upraised.

"AHA! GOT YOU, YOU FOUL CULTIST!" the shadow cried, the bat connecting with the side of the shadow's head with a crunch, dropping her to the ground bonelessly.

"Never again will you threaten our fair hamlet! Never again will you...uh...er..." it was then that a stray lightning bolt flashed across the sky, illuminating the camera that had fallen and broken against the ground. "Crap."

The Vigilante fled into the night.

As the sun rose in the morning sky, the clouds parting as the rain abated, the village realized that one of their number was missing. Searching, they found the body, soaked from rain, eyes staring without seeing at the clouds above.

---The BODYGUARD saved. [info]celothae the PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR is dead!---

((Mod note: Night Round is from whenever Day Round ends until 12:30PM, at which point the next Day Round begins. Each Night Round I will make a fresh post for Specials to respond in so please do not go back and re-use the original post where I let you know that you were a special. Thanks!))
Time:2009-10-15 19:52:09 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#1
Ok...

So the bodyguard protected the right person, and the vigilante killed the PI. Way to go vigilante. ugh.

Since there was only one cultist, and I don't think the cultist can try to sacrifice themselves, the bodyguard knows for sure who one of the villagers is.

Dumb luck? Or did both the bodyguard and the cultist pick a "good player" to protect/attack?

Anyone care to come forward? If we get two claims of bodyguardness, we just lynch them both and we win. Otherwise, it'd be good to have two confirmed villagers.


Time:2009-10-15 20:02:06 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#2
Cheleann77 is suspicious to me for her last minute lobbying for [info]chaos_dancer. Possibly a cultist move to shift suspicion away from themselves? What made them suspect [info]chaos_dancer? A first round villager success is almost unheard of. Maybe they had a motive for shifting away from [info]snoopyh42, but we don't have any lovers this game so I don't know what that motive could be.

[info]Theweaselking did some suspicious last minute vote shifting as well.

[info]Stride was uncharacteristically quiet.

In the end though, I must

VOTE [info]RAISHA

because they didn't post at all yesterday.


Time:2009-10-15 20:09:03 GMT
Author:[info]snoopyh42
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#3
What do you mean "only one cultist"? Clearly the night's activity report shows a second cultist (and the original roles list post).


Time:2009-10-15 20:09:48 GMT
Author:[info]snoopyh42
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#4
What happened to your theory of letting inactive people suicide themselves? If [info]Raisha doesn't post today, she'll die anyway from suicide.


Time:2009-10-15 20:10:06 GMT
Author:[info]stride
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#5
I got laid off yesterday. I was too busy celebrating. :)

It is also very difficult to point fingers on day one where there is little to no info to go off of. However, now with day one worth of data: It is very suspicious for last minute lobbying.


Time:2009-10-15 20:10:41 GMT
Author:[info]starryshadows
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 #6
Well... crap. Here I was all ready to think we were awesome, nabbing a cultist the first night and all... and then the PI gets whacked by the Vigilante.

Jiminy. Guess it's all deductive reasoning now.

The last-minute vote-switching bothers me a bit, but on the other hand it nabbed us a cultist, so I'm not honestly too suspicious of it. With only two cultists, sacrificing one to provide the other some cover is a pretty risky plan.

Otherwise, who do we know who [info]Celothae might have pissed off?


Time:2009-10-15 20:20:34 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#7
2 cultists to start with, one of whom is lynched on day 1.

Hence, only one cultist last night.


Time:2009-10-15 20:22:19 GMT
Author:[info]snoopyh42
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#8
Sorry, I understand now. I just seemed to recall seeing "one cultist" posts in yesterday's thread and not questioning it.


Time:2009-10-15 20:23:17 GMT
Author:[info]starryshadows
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#9
Rum luck, [info]Stride. I'm right there with you. Jobs just ain't what they used to be.


Time:2009-10-15 20:23:29 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#10
I don't think you read any of my posts on the topic yesterday.

Allowing GM suicides increases the rate at which we lose villagers.


Time:2009-10-15 20:30:24 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#11
Actually, now that I think about it, I think ALL the specials should come out now.

We've got 14 villagers remaining. The specials remaining are:

For the home team:
1 Doctor
1 Thrill-Killer
1 Vigilante
1 Bodyguard

For the bad guys:
1 Sorcerer
1 Cultist

IF all the good guy specials come out, we've got at least four and possibly five (if we know who the bodyguard saved and it weren't another special) confirmed villagers. 5/14 is one hell of a voting block. The vigilante will also know who not to kill at night. The doctor knows who to save. The bodyguard has some idea who to protect. If we get double claimants for any role, we just lynch them both.

I think we could actually wrap this up in short order.


Time:2009-10-15 20:30:57 GMT
Author:[info]stride
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#12
I am actually rather grateful to get unemployment for awhile: it'll give my soul a chance to grow back after years of corporate servitude. Plus I can get those chores finally done!

I do hope that you find something that's perfect for you soon. :)


Time:2009-10-15 20:52:04 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
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 #13
I said "14 villagers, 1 cultist" in terms of the lynching - since the second cultist DEFINITELY isn't going to try to stop the mob, there might as well be 14-1 right then.


Time:2009-10-15 21:00:39 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
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#14
My last-minute vote-shift was the deciding factor to swap *to* the Cultist. For this to make sense, we have to consider:

First possibility: I am a cultist, and I deliberately swapped the lynching from Snoopy *to* a Cultist. This does not make sense unless both Snoopy *and* I are Cultists and we're trying to deflect attention. And that's impossible, because if I'm a cultist and Chaos-dancer was a cultist, then Snoopy *wasn't* a cultist, and swapping from a lynched villager to a lynched cultist is an incredibly bone-headed move for the only other cultist. Especially on turn 1.

Second possibility: I am not a cultist, and I was telling the truth when I said I was picking pretty much at random. [info]Chaos_Dancer's creepy-assed "trust in a higher power" comments were enough to make her equally as attractive to luynch as snoopy, and I changed for no reason other than the first turn really being pretty damn random. As well, changing the loser of the election at the laast minute, the way I did, makes it pretty hard for the cultists to rig. And we got lucky.

I, of course, maintain that possibility 2 is the case: I swapped capriciously and we hit the lucky 1/8 chance of snagging a cultist. They didn't have a further chance to skew things because, up until *5 minutes before voting closed* they were coming out ahead.

Possibility 1 requires either that I be a complete moron or playing an incredibly risky "deep game" that involves giving up a free villager kill in exchange for losing 50% of my assets - on *turn 1*.


Time:2009-10-15 21:02:55 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
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 #15
"AHA! GOT YOU, YOU FOUL CULTIST!" the shadow cried, the bat connecting with the side of the shadow's head with a crunch, dropping her to the ground bonelessly.

"Never again will you threaten our fair hamlet! Never again will you...uh...er..." it was then that a stray lightning bolt flashed across the sky, illuminating the camera that had fallen and broken against the ground. "Crap."

[Golfclap]


Time:2009-10-15 21:04:08 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
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 #16
The cultists *can* try to sacrifice themselves, but it would be really stupid in this case.


Time:2009-10-15 21:05:20 GMT
Author:[info]areyouacultist
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 #17
Modnote: C_D was a him.


Time:2009-10-15 21:05:55 GMT
Author:[info]areyouacultist
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 #18
I have put up a poll in a separate post. Please take a look and vote.


Time:2009-10-15 21:11:18 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
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 #19
Yes, but wasting a lynching on an inactive villager gives the cultists a free kill.


Time:2009-10-15 21:19:32 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
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 #20
So: My immediate suspicion falls on the people who agreed with [info]Chaos_Dancer about lynching Snoopy. That means gorilla_shaman, [info]Stride, [info]Makellan, and... well, me and [info]celothae.
[info]Celothae wasn't a cultist,
I *know* I was picking at random,
a cultist voting first on the very first round would be very ballsy,
[info]Stride voted *in retaliation* to Snoopy voting for him,
and that leaves [info]Makellan.

I think I will VOTE [info]MAKELLAN and do a repeat of yesterday's question: Mak, why should I not suspect you?


Time:2009-10-15 21:31:25 GMT
Author:[info]chelleann77
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#21
I'm suspicious? I'm the bodyguard, believe me or not.

I suspected [info]Chaos_Dancer on the hunch that they wanted to make the determination for who to lynch in the hands of a higher power.

Seemed cultist to me, and all my comments said that...

I picked the person I protected because he had the second highest number of votes, and therefore I thought he would be subject to cultist retaliation and I was right twice yesterday.

It's possible I'm just good at reading people.

or lynch me, is cool.

I will continue to be a good villager and special until then.


Time:2009-10-15 21:33:34 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
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#22
In fact:
If the inactive person is a villager, they're going to die regardless because they haven't posted. Lynching them gives up the villager's kill for the round and lets the cultist get a free kill tonight. All you're doing by lynching them is *guaranteeing* that we miss a cultist today.

If the inactive person is a cultist and they're inactive, then last night's cultist attack was a randomly determined one - so if they go without posting today, they suicide and the villagers win.

(If the inactive person was a cultist who only posted on cultist threads and not during the day, then they *still* either join in today or die at nightfall.)

So I don't follow how fewer villagers die if we go after people who aren't playing.


Time:2009-10-15 21:47:45 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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#23
[info]chelleann77 - claims bodyguard
[info]snoopyh42 - implied villager by [info]chelleann77

Anyone want to contest the bodyguard claim?

[info]Chelleann77, can you confirm it was [info]snoopyh42? (you implied, but were not explicit).

Any other specials want to come out?

In the interest of fairness, and getting some other specials to out themselves, I should come out. I'm plain vanilla villager, no magic powers, no special abilities other than my natural wit and charm. Please do not bodyguard or save me, unless you think my natural wit and charm are endearing somehow.


Time:2009-10-15 21:50:06 GMT
Author:[info]snoopyh42
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#24
Aww, you saved me during the night? That's very kind of you. Thank you.


Time:2009-10-15 21:51:28 GMT
Author:[info]chelleann77
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#25
I can confirm that I protected Snoopy.

He *always* gets kicked off first when we play in real life, and with my expectation of retaliation from the cultists, and no knowledge of anyone else, he seemed like a good choice.


Time:2009-10-15 21:51:43 GMT
Author:[info]chelleann77
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You're welcome.

Told you I was safe.


Time:2009-10-15 21:54:38 GMT
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OK, I would like the game to continue, but I don't have time to sit here and talk a lot today, so

VOTE [info]Raisha.

She hasn't bothered to play yet, and I don't see the point to having the GM kill her and another one of us.

Please have a spirited debate while I'm wandering off, I want to be able to figure out who to protect tonight.


Time:2009-10-15 21:59:57 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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The personal angle shouldn't be missed here either. Three possibilities.

1) remaining cultist chose victim at random
2) remaining cultist is a friend/enemy of [info]snoopyh42
3) remaining cultist picked [info]snoopyh42 for same reason [info]chelleann77 did

I don't know [info]snoopyh42 well. Maybe they can speak up and let us know who is playing that they *do* know well. Might be useful information later.


Time:2009-10-15 22:24:48 GMT
Author:[info]urbanwolfie
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I'm not sure killing off an inactive player is a good use of our lynch for the day since it blows one of our chances at getting the remaining cultist.

I vote [info]abstain for now, but will cast my lot against someone later given a good reason.


Time:2009-10-15 22:25:44 GMT
Author:[info]makellan
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The real disadvantage in voting the silent one out is that the bodyguard dies tonight.
The cultist can take out the bodyguard now. Doctor, identify yourself and you and the bodyguard can protect each other at least one more night.
Snoopy is essentially proven not a cultist by not dying last night.
theweselking, I didn't join the game until the specials had been handed out. This is due to an LJ failure and being on the wrong coast due to business. Also, I was hoping for more debate by tying up the voting. I knew I'd be on a plane for it, but, as we saw, last-minute vote switching tells us things.

On the game-extension matter: I dislike it because I'd like to see just one game end quickly, with a minimum of villager deaths. We'll play again! Let's save this town first! Who's voting for giving the sorcerer more power? That sounds like a cultist thing to do to me.




VOTE [info]RAISHA


Time:2009-10-15 22:26:25 GMT
Author:[info]chelleann77
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#31
It's more about the probablities.

You are right, assuming we pick the sorcerer or cultist to kill on the second try.

However, if we pick a special or a villager and the GM kills [info]Raisha we lose two, AND then the cultist gets to try to kill someone.

So whatever round that happens in, we stand to lose three.

It's more about if we believe that we can pick the right person to lynch. Your reasoning makes sense if we believe that in round two we get as lucky as we did in round one.

But realistically, the chances are good we will kill a villager, the GM will off [info]Raisha, and then the cultist will kill someone that I, or another special cannot help.

I'm playing my cynic and voting for [info]Raisha, we monkeys probably aren't going to get lucky twice so quickly.





Time:2009-10-15 22:31:00 GMT
Author:[info]chelleann77
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#32
I vote the doctor doesn't come out, and I'll take the sacrifice if I have to. The doctor exposing themselves now has no benefit.

I'm currently suspicious of both people who advocate any further special knowledge.

I came out, well, cause I'm dumb and cause I see that the village only loses if I get killed. So I took the calculated risk that knowing I am the bodyguard will help you all not lynch me on accident. But now I'm a giant target, I see no reason for the doctor to be so as well.

The Doctor could protect me tonight AND not put themselves in danger by staying silent.

Why would you want them to do otherwise?


Time:2009-10-15 22:39:46 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
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It's more that, by voting for the inactive person, either they're a cultist (and would have died anyway for inactivity), or *we give up our 1/12 chance to hit the cultist* in the hopes that tomorrow brings new information and a better guess.

Basically, by targeting the inactive person, we *guarantee* missing the cultist. To hit someone who *is already dead*.

I think of it this way.

Assume [info]Raisha is a villager.
IF WE DON'T LYNCH HER: our collective target dies, who *might* be the cultist. She dies. You die if the Doctor doesn't protect you.

IF WE LYNCH HER: She dies, the cultist's target (likely you) dies. And then in the next round, we're left with picking a non-[info]raisha target to die (exactly like last round) AND the cultist gets a second shot in.

Essentially, if [info]Raisha isn't in, she's dead. If we lynch her, we save one life this round *and lose one next round*, as instead of us-cultist-her we get us-cultist-cultist.

Lynching the inactive person really doesn't strike me as productive. Sure, we're *definitely* not losing an active special - but we're not *gaining* anything either.


Time:2009-10-15 22:58:30 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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It never fails. No matter how logical you think you are, someone will disagree with you.

Tonight, it is highly likely a cultist would want to kill a known villager so that we're more confused tomorrow. We of course want to protect against this. Cultist has two choices.

IF they choose the (currently uncontested) bodyguard, the doctor could save.

IF they choose snoopy, the could could also save.

This is probably the best use of doctor save potions we'll get all game, with the possible exception of the cultist randomly targeting the doctor and the doctor saving themselves.

Now, listen carefully. IF [info]RAISHA DOES NOT POST TODAY, SHE IS DEAD NO MATTER WHAT. Either we lynch her or the GM kills her tomorrow.

Now, if we DON'T lynch her, and instead lynch some other random villager (highly likely) we'll be down one more villager than we would be otherwise.

Would you rather lose one villager? Or two?

This is why we should lynch her now.



Time:2009-10-15 22:59:28 GMT
Author:[info]starryshadows
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 #35
Grazie. I'm sure I'll figure out something.

And I do hear you on the chance for a bit of soul-growth and cleanup time. Heck, I've been to the gym almost every day since being laid off. :P


Time:2009-10-15 23:03:38 GMT
Author:[info]starryshadows
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 #36
Honestly, I'm kinda on the side of people staying quiet. The doctor coming out right now is a bad idea, else they have a max of two nights to live... and nervous doctors start poisoning people.

As for everyone coming out at once, the problem is, what then? Yes, we have a confirmed safe group... but do we just start going down the list of non-specials one after another, lynching one a day? At that point, it's still a matter of luck, we just have somewhat better odds... and if everyone comes out, then the cultists (and now possibly the sorceror) know better who to knock off first.

Just seems like a bad idea... Gorilla, can you epxlain your reasoning a little better here?


Time:2009-10-15 23:09:22 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
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#37
If we lynch [info]Raisha:

TONIGHT: Lose [info]Raisha, lose a villager (or Doc potion) to the cultist
TOMORROW: Lynch a probable villager and lose a villager to the cultist.

If we don't lynch [info]Raisha:

TONIGHT: Lose a probable villager to the lynching, lose [info]raisha, lose a villager to the cultist.
Tomorrow: Lynch a probable (although more likely than last round, a cultist!) villager, then lose a villager to the cultist.

We're not worried about number of votes - at this point, the cultist has to kill his way down through *13* people *and* survive the 50/50 when there's just two left and each votes for the other in order to win. The question, to me, seems not to be about keeping maximum villagers alive (which is not a victory condition) and more about maximising cultist kill factor - and, giving up a *shot* at the cultist on round 2 doesn't seem productive.

What am I missing that makes losing two to the cultist in exchange for one of our choice worth giving up 3-2, when one of the 3 *isn't playing at all*?


Time:2009-10-15 23:24:14 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
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Minimizing villager losses extends the length of the game, and gives us more time to find the cultist.

The choice you're advocating maximizes villager losses and shortens the game, giving us less time to find the cultist.


Time:2009-10-15 23:28:06 GMT
Author:[info]snoopyh42
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#39
I wasn't sure if I should respond to this or not, but since the information's pretty much available by checking my friend's list...

I consider [info]Stride and [info]Chelleann77 to be good personal friends.
[info]Starryshadows is more of an acquaintance, who I see in real life on occasion.
[info]Sylvan and I have met once or twice, but I'm not sure if he remembers.

Based on [info]theweaselking's logic above, my suspicions turn to [info]Stride or [info]Makellan, but I'm not ready to place a vote.


Time:2009-10-15 23:30:05 GMT
Author:[info]areyouacultist
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#40
According to the game rules, if there are equal number of players to cultists, then the cultists wins.

In the event that the cultist manages to hack and kill their way down to a 1v1 situation, they still win because, technically speaking, it would then go to a tie, they both vote for each other during the sudden death phase, the tie persists through the sudden death phase, then no one gets lynched at the end of the day, then the cultist comes and murders the person in their sleep.

Well, I guess the cultists wouldn't win if the last person is the Thrill-Killer because as soon as they sacrifice the T-K, the T-K takes them out.


Time:2009-10-15 23:36:18 GMT
Author:[info]snoopyh42
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#66943

Parent:#31
Siblings:#33
Children:(none)
 #41
FYI, if you're voting [info]raisha, you need to actually vote for her using the usual format:

vote username
unvote username


Time:2009-10-15 23:42:46 GMT
Author:[info]flowen
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#67199

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #6 #11 #15 #18 #20 #27 #30 #47 #48 #74 #77 #87 #88 #92 #93 #99
Children:#44
#42
Well, we currently don't have any information other than that [info]chelleann77 and snoopy are safe. For now I vote [info]gorillashaman until something better comes along.

[info]Raisha thought we were starting on the 15, so she's a bit behind.


Time:2009-10-15 23:46:53 GMT
Author:[info]snoopyh42
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#67455

Parent:#38
Siblings:#45
Children:(none)
 #43
I'm kinda with [info]theweaselking on this. We'd be throwing away our *chance* of lynching a cultist by lynching [info]raisha.

Longevity, while important, isn't as crucial as finding and killing the remaining cultist.


Time:2009-10-15 23:55:59 GMT
Author:[info]areyouacultist
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#67711

Parent:#42
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #44
To be fair, I think I put the 15th down in the userinfo, although I meant to start on Wednesday.

All she needs to do to avoid commiting suicide is posting once, although the lynching...


Time:2009-10-15 23:59:30 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#67967

Parent:#38
Siblings:#43
Children:(none)
 #45
Assume [info]Raisha is *not* the cultist for a moment.

We have 13 non-[info]Raisha players. 1 is a cultist. 1 is a sorceror, but killing the sorceror is not a victory condition. They're just a jerk.

Given *random* non-[info]Raisha choice of lynching, that gives us
1/13 chance of lynching the cultist, then the cultist gets one, and [info]Raisha dies, and then we get a 1/10 shot at the cultist next round.

That's a 92% chance of missing on this round, and a 90% chance of missing next round, giving us an 83% chance of missing the target before the next nightfall, with *9* villagers and one cultist left when the cultist gets a shot tomorrow night. Put another way, we have a 17% chance, choosing *purely randomly*, of getting the remaining cultist.

If we lynch [info]Raisha, we have a 0% chance of getting the cultist tonight, and a 1/12 chance of the cultist tomorrow - giving us a 92% chance of not having the cultist by tomorrow night, or an 8% chance of having them, with *10* villagers left when the cultist gets a shot tomorrow night.

This doesn't really improve our situation. Extrapolating a turn into the future doesn't change that: by voting for the idle person, we give the Cultist more choices of people to kill.

Now, assume [info]Raisha *is* the cultist, which I doubt given last night's cultist attack/bodyguard defence. If we lynch her, we win. If we don't lynch her, she commits suicide and we win.

(All this, of course, disregards the Thrill-Killer, the Doctor, and the Vigilante.)


Time:2009-10-16 00:02:09 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#68223

Parent:#40
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #46
That would be awesome. Ghost Town Massachusetts.


Time:2009-10-16 00:03:15 GMT
Author:[info]reyl
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#68479

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #6 #11 #15 #18 #20 #27 #30 #42 #48 #74 #77 #87 #88 #92 #93 #99
Children:(none)
 #47
I'm just a fisherman, and all this debate is a little confusing ;)

All this debate over method is kind of futile and doesn't help us get to the real problem. And that is we still can't go fishing because there is a cultist amoung us! Who seems the most suspicious?


Time:2009-10-16 01:27:52 GMT
Author:[info]raisha
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#68735

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #6 #11 #15 #18 #20 #27 #30 #42 #47 #74 #77 #87 #88 #92 #93 #99
Children:#49 #52
#48
vote [info]gorillashaman


Time:2009-10-16 01:34:32 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#68991

Parent:#48
Siblings:#52
Children:(none)
 #49
You're ALIVE!

Well, crap. This ruins all my math from before.


Time:2009-10-16 01:54:22 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#69247

Parent:#39
Siblings:(none)
Children:#51
#50
I only voted for you because you started it. :P


Time:2009-10-16 02:01:55 GMT
Author:[info]snoopyh42
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#69503

Parent:#50
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #51
I kinda figured as much. The assumption being that our Day 1 votes would cancel each other out instead of [info]abstaining.


Time:2009-10-16 02:11:11 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#69759

Parent:#48
Siblings:#49
Children:#53
#52
Ah, you are alive.

unvote [info]raisha

and

VOTE [info]THEWEASELKING for aforementioned dubious vote shifting and general persnicketyness.


Time:2009-10-16 02:24:03 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#70015

Parent:#52
Siblings:(none)
Children:#56
#53
As I said before: My voteshifting only makes sense if
1) I'm a cultist AND a moron
or
2) I'm innocent and got lucky.

And, I *know* I got lucky, and I *know* your math is bad on why to vote for the idle person (I can provide links and further explanations), and I've looked up your past games on [info]millershollow. You're too good at the math to make the "vote for the idle person" bit to make sense as a legit argument, and your argument that the heroes reveal themselves doesn't hold a lot of water, either.

I am now *certain* that you're either Sorceror or Cultist.

UNVOTE [info]MAKELLAN, VOTE [info]GORILLASHAMAN.

[info]Chelleann77, I suspect that I'm now #2 on the priority list to kill, after youself. Since you *can't* protect yourself, and the Doctor can protect you, I'd appreciate a nod. I'm just sayin'.


Time:2009-10-16 03:16:30 GMT
Author:[info]sylvan
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#70527

Parent:#11
Siblings:(none)
Children:#55 #60
#54
I'm not sure how this is going to be helpful. If the Doctor saved the bodyguard and the vigilante goes along and doesn't kill any of the specials if they out themselves, we get one night free in clear and have had a 1 in 8 chance of getting the cultist, if the vigilante and lynch didn't get them. Then, the next night the bodyguard is killed, then the doctor, then probably the vigilante, then the thrill-killer who we hope will take the cultist with him. Is this the gist of what you are saying?


Time:2009-10-16 04:25:07 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#71039

Parent:#54
Siblings:#60
Children:#58
#55
assume everybody outs, and [info]snoopyh42 is not a special
also assume we're not doing any goofy game extensions
also assume people play logically (a stretch, I know)

today, 14 alive, 5 known good, 1 cultist
lynch someone at random, 1/9 chance we get the cultist
cultist gets no kill (doctor saves any targeted special)
vigilante kills someone, 1/8 chance we get the cultist

next day, 12 alive, 5 known good, 1 cultist
lynch someone at random, 1/7 chance we get the cultist
bodyguard announces protection of vigilante
cultist kills bodyguard or doctor
doctor poisons, 1/6 chance we get the cultist
(can he poison if he's targeted? assume yes)
vigilante kills, 1/5 chance we get the cultist
(may require doctor/vigilante coordination)

next day, 8 alive, 4 known good, 1 cultist
lynch someone at random, 1/4 chance we get the cultist
cultist kills vigilante
(does vigilante still get a kill? assume yes)
vigilante kills, 1/3 chance we get the cultist

next day, 5 alive, 3 known good, 1 cultist
lynch someone at random, 1/2 chance we get the cultist
cultist kills a special

next day, 3 alive, 2 known good, VILLAGER WIN.

odds of losing here == 0%

NB, there are two unknowns.
Can the doctor poison if he is attacked by cultist?
Does vigilante get a kill if he is attacked by cultists?

I assume yes to both.

Note also, if the cultist veers off the path and kills someone who is NOT a special, then he only hastens his own death and villager win.

That flow is contingent on [info]snoopyh42 being NOT special.

How's it work with [info]snoopyh42 as a special?

today, 14 alive, 4 known good, 1 cultist
lynch someone at random, 1/10 chance we get the cultist
cultist gets no kill (doctor saves any targeted special)
vigilante kills someone, 1/9 chance we get the cultist

next day, 12 alive, 4 known good, 1 cultist
lynch someone at random, 1/8 chance we get the cultist
bodyguard announces protection of vigilante
cultist kills bodyguard or doctor
doctor poisons, 1/7 chance we get the cultist
(can he poison if he's targeted? assume yes)
vigilante kills, 1/6 chance we get the cultist
(may require doctor/vigilante coordination)

next day, 8 alive, 3 known good, 1 cultist
lynch someone at random, 1/5 chance we get the cultist
cultist kills vigilante
(does vigilante still get a kill? assume yes)
vigilante kills, 1/4 chance we get the cultist

next day, 5 alive, 2 known good, 1 cultist
lynch someone at random, 1/3 chance we get the cultist
cultist kills a special

NB: odds of getting this far are 9/10 * 8/9 * 7/8 * 6/7 * 5/6 * 4/5 * 3/4 * 2/3 == 20%

next day, 3 alive, 1 known good, 1 cultist
lynch someone at random, 1/2 chance we get the cultist

OVERALL odds of us losing here... 10%

NB this is a LOSING scenario if we have a good-cultist-sorceror combination. However, the odds of not getting either the cultist or the sorceror by this point are going to be very small (~ 2%).

Note also in no case did I assume the thrill-killer gets attacked by the cultist. If he does, the thrill killer takes out an unknown. This has the same effect as the cultist targeting an unknown. In the [info]snoopyh42 is not special case we win sooner. In the [info]snoopyh42 is special case we're guaranteed a win.

This is, I think, about as good as it's going to get.

What happens if people don't listen to me?

Assume some special hides because they're afraid, confused, or dumb. Any one of the cultist, thrill killer, vigilante, or doctor could kill another special, and our sure-thing win vanishes.


Time:2009-10-16 05:01:53 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#71295

Parent:#53
Siblings:(none)
Children:#57
#56
see http://cuddlepuddle.org/~adam/ljgames/[info]areyouacultist/31.html#277 for my logic re: everybody coming out.

Your "I'd only do that if I were a cultist and a moron" logic is a "wine in front of me" argument. You could be a clever cultist trying to make me think only a moron would do what you did. Whatever, it doesn't matter. It's just like any other claim to innocence, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Now if you're some sort of special and came out, I'd be likely to move my vote. Otherwise, it's all the same to me.


Time:2009-10-16 10:30:13 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#72063

Parent:#56
Siblings:(none)
Children:#64
#57
If I'm a cultist, then I swapped the town's lynching from a non-cultist to a cultist, on turn 1.

This is pretty significantly different from a normal claim of innocence.


Time:2009-10-16 12:59:02 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#72319

Parent:#55
Siblings:(none)
Children:#63
#58
This is actually fairly compelling.

But by this logic train, we should be lynching people who claim to be normal non-special villagers in order to make the cycle work - so I see no reason to not have my cake and eat it too, and vote you off the island today. If you're a villager, we can accept your logic as entirely sound and proceed as you suggest, starting tomorrow. If you're not a villager, we come out ahead.


Time:2009-10-16 13:02:07 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#72575

Parent:#32
Siblings:#36 #70 #86
Children:(none)
 #59
The main benefit of the specials coming out is that the Vigilante and Thrill-killer know to not target them.


Time:2009-10-16 13:39:13 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#72831

Parent:#54
Siblings:#55
Children:#61 #62 #69
#60
In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think [info]gorillashaman is right, and outing everyone *is* a good plan.

Very well, then! I am the Vigilante. [info]Sylvan, if you're a special, speak now, or I'm going to kill you at nightfall.

(If the Doctor could chime in and keep me from getting whacked tonight, I'd appreciate that. [info]Gorillashaman's plan doesn't work if the Bodyguard saves *me* tonight.)


Time:2009-10-16 13:41:55 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#73087

Parent:#60
Siblings:#62 #69
Children:#67
#61
Oh, and also: UNVOTE [info]GORILLASHAMAN.
If your plan is right, and it seems to be, it's not sensible for the Sorceror or the Cultist to make it. Which is not to say I *trust* you, but more that I'm willing to see you continue.


Time:2009-10-16 13:43:26 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#73343

Parent:#60
Siblings:#61 #69
Children:#66
#62
(Heck: the doctor doesn't even have to CHIME IN, unless they're [info]Sylvan and want me to not whack them. They can just save me or [info]chelleann77 if/when the cultist targets us.)


Time:2009-10-16 14:14:15 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#73599

Parent:#58
Siblings:(none)
Children:#79
#63
Absolutely. Like I said, I'm not special and not worth saving.

However, please note, the logic also requires all the specials to come out.


Time:2009-10-16 14:18:49 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#73855

Parent:#57
Siblings:(none)
Children:#65 #76
#64
Methinks thou dost protest too much.

Here's how I imagine the cultist thought. "Hrm, the vote is going against the other cultist anyway. I can make it look like I'm not a cultist by jumping on that pile and making sure he gets lynched. No one will ever suspect me. Bwah-ha-ha."

Plausible? Yes. Likely? Who knows. I certainly have seen other players do similar stunts, up to and including having a wolf (cultist) eat (kill) one of their own in the hopes the witch (doctor) would save them, thereby cementing their deniability.

Last minute voting is always suspicious, regardless of who you switch from/to.


Time:2009-10-16 14:21:51 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#74111

Parent:#64
Siblings:#76
Children:(none)
 #65
Except I didn't dogpile onto someone who was already losing. I *caused* the cultist to lose instead of Snoopy.

If I'm a cultist, Snoopy thus *isn't* a cultist, and I saved a villager to kill a cultist.
If Snoopy is a cultist, I'm by definition not one.

And, like I said earlier, I'm the vigilante. I like you plan, I think your plan can work, so I'm willing to give it a shot. If no more specials come forward in the next few hours, I'll make my vote and take my chances on hitting one of them.


Time:2009-10-16 14:23:17 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#74367

Parent:#62
Siblings:(none)
Children:#68
#66
The doctor needs to come out, so the thrill killer doesn't get them. Since the thrill killer is not yet out, it is still possible for us to lynch him, or the cultist to kill him tonight. In either event, it is possible for the thrill killer to take out the doctor, thus losing our advantage.

The thrill killer needs to come out, so the doctor knows to try to save them if they get targeted tonight. Again, losing the thrill killer loses our advantage.

BOTH need to come out, so the villagers know not to lynch them.


Time:2009-10-16 14:29:30 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#74623

Parent:#61
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #67
Ah, can't vote for an uncontested special. Therefore I

UNVOTE [info]THEWEASELKING

and move next down my suspicion list and

VOTE [info]STRIDE


Time:2009-10-16 14:33:42 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#74879

Parent:#66
Siblings:(none)
Children:#71
#68
For the plan to be perfect, yes. But it's *possible* to succeed if they don't come out yet - better than 50/50, in fact, as long as they speak up *if we target them today*.


Time:2009-10-16 14:36:50 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#75135

Parent:#60
Siblings:#61 #62
Children:(none)
 #69
Correct. The BODYGUARD must NOT protect [info]theweaselking tonight.

The DOCTOR must save tonight if an outed special is targeted.

In the event the thrill killer does NOT come out, it's probably wise for the DOCTOR to save tonight anyway. If we don't lynch a special today, and the doctor saves tonight, we preserve our special count and can follow the flow outlined previously.


Time:2009-10-16 14:39:53 GMT
Author:[info]chelleann77
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#75391

Parent:#32
Siblings:#36 #59 #86
Children:#72
#70
UNVOTE [info]Raisha

VOTE [info]Makellan

I find both [info]Makellan and Gorilla suspicious, and I agree on the Weaselking reasoning that he's probably not a cultist.

I flipped coin.



Time:2009-10-16 14:43:11 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#75647

Parent:#68
Siblings:(none)
Children:#73
#71
You are correct. It is still POSSIBLE, and better than 50/50 even, if the specials don't all come out.

That said, I think it is important to not that NOT coming out DECREASES our chances in the event of a mishap (we lynch the doctor or thrill killer today), possibly even drastically.

Sorry, I get a little logic crazed sometimes; the scenario if [info]snoopyh42 is not special is too much of a sure thing for me not to push for it. Even the [info]snoopyh42 is special scenario has an incredibly high chance of success.

I've never seen it any better on day 2.


Time:2009-10-16 14:43:36 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#75903

Parent:#70
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #72
VOTE [info]MAKELLAN

My vote can make it a coin toss between GS and Mak, with 2 each. So I think I'll do that.


Time:2009-10-16 14:50:47 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#76415

Parent:#71
Siblings:(none)
Children:#75
#73
I agree. I can't see a problem with your plan - and so, if it turns out you're actually the cultist or sorceror, I demand a debrief to show me where the trick was.

(Also: You mentioned you can't bring yourself to vote for an uncontested special. Even if someone contest being Vigilante, you shouldn't lynch either of us - because one of us is the Vigilante, and the other is *definitely lying about being Vigilante*, and thus a bad guy. So, let us both live until nightfall, and the liar gets killed by the Vigilante. QED.)


Time:2009-10-16 15:03:07 GMT
Author:[info]reyl
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#76671

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #6 #11 #15 #18 #20 #27 #30 #42 #47 #48 #77 #87 #88 #92 #93 #99
Children:(none)
 #74
vote [info]makellan

Someone who doesn't seem concerned about votes against them is more likely to be a crazed cultist.


Time:2009-10-16 15:34:49 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#76927

Parent:#73
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #75
Sure. Pretty much any double claimants are screwed, some sooner than others.


Time:2009-10-16 15:59:26 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#78975

Parent:#64
Siblings:#65
Children:#82
#76
As much as I know you like poking at things to get a reaction and to the truth of the matter, 's points are all very valid. He was the deciding factor for the swing vote about an hour before end of day. He's also claiming to be the vigilante. Those are two strong points in his favor for *not* being a cultist.


Time:2009-10-16 16:01:55 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#79231

Parent:(none)
Siblings:#1 #2 #6 #11 #15 #18 #20 #27 #30 #42 #47 #48 #74 #87 #88 #92 #93 #99
Children:#83
#77
THE DEAD

[info]chaos_dancer - CULTIST
[info]celothae - PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR

THE LIVING

[info]chelleann77 - claims bodyguard, uncontested
[info]theweaselking - claims vigilante, uncontested

[info]snoopyh42a - saved by bodyguard on night 1

[info]zhymmy - no posts on day 2
[info]maggiebloome - no posts on day 2
[info]gorillashaman
[info]starryshadows
[info]stride
[info]reyl
[info]urbanwolfie
[info]raisha
[info]makellan
[info]sylvan
[info]flowen


roles still unknown/unclaimed:
cultist, sorcerer, doctor, thrill-killer


Time:2009-10-16 16:02:40 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#79487

Parent:#30
Siblings:#32
Children:#80
#78
Normally I would agree, except that I'm pretty certain that you were included in the original list of those who wanted to play.

Vote [info]makellan


Time:2009-10-16 16:03:51 GMT
Author:[info]starryshadows
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#79743

Parent:#63
Siblings:(none)
Children:#81 #84
#79
Hrm. I'm with this logic, actually. Having seen your scheme play out on paper, it seems like a good one. However, I'm still suspicious of you. I've seen big cojones from you before, and I'm also convinced that besides silence (which doesn't seem in your nature) the next best defense for a cultist is a bastion of logic. It would be sad irony if the cultist were to propose the plan that was surefire, and then ride it all the way to a lonely, gibbering win.

I'm going to vote [info]gorillashaman unless I see a particularly compelling reason not to. If you're right in your logic, then your plan is already set out and sound. And if my suspicion isn't borne out, then I'll carry your plan forward as best I can... presuming, of course, that the rest of the specials come out so it can work.


Time:2009-10-16 16:10:25 GMT
Author:[info]areyouacultist
Subject:*on a chariot of fire, pulled by angels, it's Modgod*
Link:8063#79999

Parent:#78
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #80
He was counted and had a role chosen for him just as all the other people did and the same time as the other players.

He just didn't know game was starting because he forgot to friend the journal. ;)


Time:2009-10-16 16:12:38 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#80255

Parent:#79
Siblings:#84
Children:(none)
 #81
I changed my decision because I can't find a hole in his logic - if he actually is an innocent villager, he's going to die in a few days anyway. If he's right, we can *afford* to wait and lynch him tomorrow.


Time:2009-10-16 16:13:50 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#80511

Parent:#76
Siblings:(none)
Children:#85
#82
Certainly. Which is why I moved my vote.


Time:2009-10-16 16:14:31 GMT
Author:[info]zhymmy
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#80767

Parent:#77
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #83
Nobody took me seriously yesterday when I suggested we search for robes. And I voted for [info]chaos_dancer because I saw they had a robe.

SEE? Now. *points a finger at [info]raisha* DO YOU HAVE A ROBE??



(Also, I've been sick the last 24 hours and haven't had a chance to dive into the comments on this thread, sorry guys)



Time:2009-10-16 16:24:39 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#81279

Parent:#79
Siblings:#81
Children:(none)
 #84
This fascinates me. It's a human behavior I didn't see until I started playing this game, so it's still kind of new to me.

You agree with the logic, and it seems good, but you still distrust me and therefore vote against me.

Silence and Logic are both suspicious to you. The implication is that I would be MORE trustworthy if I shouted "look, a [info]duck! A creepy [info]duck eating [info]evilben snacks!" and then voted randomly.

Please, I beg you, if you don't like the logic, poke a hole in it! If there's something wrong with the logic we need to know ASAP! You should distrust me if I use *BAD* logic, not simply because I use logic.

Moreover, if I do use *BAD* logic, you should be able to convince other people the logic is bad. If you can't, then all we hear is "I don't trust logic", and to me that seems... illogical.


Time:2009-10-16 16:27:23 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#81535

Parent:#82
Siblings:(none)
Children:(none)
 #85
Sorry! Didn't see that. :)


Time:2009-10-16 16:43:59 GMT
Author:[info]makellan
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#81791

Parent:#32
Siblings:#36 #59 #70
Children:(none)
 #86
As now I'm going to be lynched, I'll explain myself before I die as a completely normal villager.
If you knew who the doctor was, you'd know who to guard and the cultist would know that he couldn't take either of you out.


Time:2009-10-16 16:51:43 GMT
Author:[info]snoopyh42
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Link:8063#82047

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 #87
After reading through the wall o'text above, I've decided the following:

vote [info]makellan


Time:2009-10-16 17:03:51 GMT
Author:[info]makellan
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Link:8063#82303

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#88
Unvote riasha

oh, look. I'm dead. Silly me for going out to dinner last night rather than posting more.
Ok, so since I'm not a special (though claiming one is pretty tempting right now), I can only say that a cultist would have, upon discovering that the votes were going against him, professed to be a useful special, or even contested an existing special while making a good argument about hiding from the cultist. A cultist would sew confusion and discontent among the village.
On my tombstone, I'll have it read "Just a Villager, like he said!"
Thank you all for your time.

GS: people find your logic suspicious mostly because you're just as good at it no matter which side you're on in a specific game. Poking holes in it requires sufficient understanding, which I find difficult this time because you're likely right, while voting against you only requires a rallying cry and a pitchfork. Good luck!


Time:2009-10-16 17:10:58 GMT
Author:[info]stride
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Link:8063#82559

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 #89
Darn it! Now I have doubt because you're not snarky like you usually are when cornered.


Time:2009-10-16 17:24:23 GMT
Author:[info]gorillashaman
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#82815

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Children:#91 #95
#90
might want to try it again with a proper spelling for [info]raisha. Silly scripts counted that your "riasha" as "[info]millershollow" (weird).


Time:2009-10-16 17:31:36 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#83071

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Siblings:#95
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#91
Lynching aside: that may be a fun thing...combine the two games (Millers Hollow and Are You A Cultist?) into some sort of double-blind where the towns blame each other for their problems and have a select group of people they can "raid" from.


Time:2009-10-16 17:41:08 GMT
Author:[info]urbanwolfie
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Link:8063#83327

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#92
I am the DOCTOR. Keep me from being sacrificed and I will return the favor with delicious potion.


Time:2009-10-16 17:45:12 GMT
Author:[info]sylvan
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Link:8063#83583

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#93
[info]Sylvan eyes [info]theweaselking and pulls his ear buds out. Sex on Wheelz can be heard from coming from them.

I am the THRILL KILLER.


Time:2009-10-16 17:45:15 GMT
Author:[info]areyouacultist
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#83839

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#94
I would be willing to give it a shot...but that means Joe and I couldn't play.


Time:2009-10-16 17:46:29 GMT
Author:[info]areyouacultist
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#84095

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 #95
I'll note that he's unvoted her but it doesn't matter considering the current amount of votes against him and you; it's a symbolic gesture at best.


Time:2009-10-16 17:51:53 GMT
Author:[info]theweaselking
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Link:8063#84351

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 #96
Sold for now! Round and round and round it goes, where the Vigilante stops..... [info]maggiebloome!

Sorry, Maggie. Random choice says you go today.


Time:2009-10-16 17:55:58 GMT
Author:[info]stride
Subject:(none)
Link:8063#84607

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 #97
Or it would have to be a really quick game where every hour is a "day" so the bugs/rules/roles could be worked out. :)


Time:2009-10-16 18:00:25 GMT
Author:[info]sylvan
Subject:The 12th doctor?
Link:8063#84863

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 #98
Vote [info]makellan



Time:2009-10-16 18:08:54 GMT
Author:[info]areyouacultist
Subject:AND THAT'S IT!
Link:8063#85119

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 #99
No more, no less, post closed. Will wait for the cuddlepuddle site to catch up before I do the write up.


Vote History
[info]gorillashamanvote[info]raisha2009-10-15 20:02:06 GMT#2
[info]theweaselkingvote[info]makellan2009-10-15 21:19:32 GMT#20
[info]chelleann77vote[info]raisha2009-10-15 21:54:38 GMT#27
[info]urbanwolfievote[info]abstain2009-10-15 22:24:48 GMT#29
[info]makellanvote[info]raisha2009-10-15 22:25:44 GMT#30
[info]flowenvote[info]gorillashaman2009-10-15 23:42:46 GMT#42
[info]raishavote[info]gorillashaman2009-10-16 01:27:52 GMT#48
[info]gorillashamanunvote[info]raisha2009-10-16 02:11:11 GMT#52
[info]gorillashamanvote[info]theweaselking2009-10-16 02:11:11 GMT#52
[info]theweaselkingunvote[info]makellan2009-10-16 02:24:03 GMT#53
[info]theweaselkingvote[info]gorillashaman2009-10-16 02:24:03 GMT#53
[info]theweaselkingunvote[info]gorillashaman2009-10-16 13:41:55 GMT#61
[info]gorillashamanunvote[info]theweaselking2009-10-16 14:29:30 GMT#67
[info]gorillashamanvote[info]stride2009-10-16 14:29:30 GMT#67
[info]chelleann77unvote[info]raisha2009-10-16 14:39:53 GMT#70
[info]chelleann77vote[info]makellan2009-10-16 14:39:53 GMT#70
[info]theweaselkingvote[info]makellan2009-10-16 14:43:36 GMT#72
[info]reylvote[info]makellan2009-10-16 15:03:07 GMT#74
[info]stridevote[info]makellan2009-10-16 16:02:40 GMT#78
[info]starryshadowsvote[info]gorillashaman2009-10-16 16:03:51 GMT#79
[info]snoopyh42vote[info]makellan2009-10-16 16:51:43 GMT#87
[info]makellanunvote[info]millershollow2009-10-16 17:03:51 GMT#88riasha
[info]sylvanvote[info]makellan2009-10-16 18:00:25 GMT#98
Vote Summary
6 against[info]makellan:[info]chelleann77 [info]reyl [info]stride [info]theweaselking [info]snoopyh42 [info]sylvan
3 against[info]gorillashaman:[info]raisha [info]starryshadows [info]flowen
1 against[info]raisha:[info]makellan
1 against[info]stride:[info]gorillashaman
1 against[info]abstain:[info]urbanwolfie
Posted but no vote:[info]areyouacultist [info]zhymmy
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